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(44,228 posts) Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:21 AM Jan 2019

In Scathing Editorial, Vermont Newspaper Begs Sanders Not To Run [View all]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scathing-editorial-vermont-newspaper-begs-sanders-not-to-run

The editorial board for the Barre Montpelier Times Argus, a daily newspaper in Vermont, wrote a scathing editorial imploring Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) not to run for President in 2020.

The board makes the case on four grounds: that Sanders has chosen his own Presidential ambitions over the needs of Vermonters, that he will again fracture the Democratic party during the primaries, that his message is stale and better carried by others and that he responded poorly to the accusations of sexism in his 2016 campaign.

“Taken together—ego, electoral math, a tired message and a prickly media darling—Sanders is convincing himself that he’s the person who can win the White House in 2020,” the board writes. “We are not convinced he should.”

Read the full editorial here.

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In Scathing Editorial, Vermont Newspaper Begs Sanders Not To Run [View all] SidDithers Jan 2019 OP

K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #1

K & R Maru Kitteh Jan 2019 #2

He had a good advantage last time since Hillary was the only other top tier candidate madville Jan 2019 #3

Things will be very, very different this time around for the Senator. Vetting will be thorough. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #10

DON'T RUN .... repeat *** Do** Not ** Run ** We do not need you. Remain a Strong Senator! trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #130

This needs a 2nd OP here? KPN Jan 2019 #4

Is there a limit in General Discussion as to the number of threads on a particular subject? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #7

Good question! I see multiple duplicate Tweets R B Garr Jan 2019 #8

Are you One of the top 10 newspapers in Vermont Yosemito Jan 2019 #18

Its new owner is the Maine Media Mogul Reade Brower mastermind Jan 2019 #85

+1 Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #99

And Newsweek and Huffpost and Alternet and Mediaite and Rollcall and IJR ehrnst Jan 2019 #101

Actually I think it's the third. George II Jan 2019 #44

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #75

I guess if it bothers you, then it's "divisive" and shouldn't be posted more than once. ehrnst Jan 2019 #46

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #74

K&R mcar Jan 2019 #5

Quotes: "could lead to another split in the 2020 presidential vote" R B Garr Jan 2019 #6

Kick! Cha Jan 2019 #197

If this is true, Bernie won't have the supporters, votes, or donations... aikoaiko Jan 2019 #9

Read the editorial in the OP. That clarifies things. ehrnst Jan 2019 #12

I read it. Ultimately the paper says he can't win aikoaiko Jan 2019 #27

Actually, it's a traditional job of editorial boards of newspapers to make endorsements. ehrnst Jan 2019 #34

This was not an endorsement. Obvioulsy. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #41

I take it you think the criticism of Trump in those endorsements I posted ehrnst Jan 2019 #49

Did I miss the part where they said don't run? aikoaiko Jan 2019 #51

You seem to miss the part where newspaper editors commenting on politicians ehrnst Jan 2019 #52

No you are intentionally ignoring the difference aikoaiko Jan 2019 #54

Goalpost moved yet again. So now you posit that editors should be gagged about talking about ehrnst Jan 2019 #61

Read the thread again. You're messing up. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #65

No, I'm just clarifying all the times you move the goalposts. ehrnst Jan 2019 #69

It's not the criticism that is my beef, it is the public aikoaiko Jan 2019 #77

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #81

The usual from you. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #84

And from you. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #86

So you think newspapers should not say that DT should not run in 2020? ehrnst Jan 2019 #83

I'm saying they don't out of respect for democracy. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #90

So editorials that say Sanders should not run are "disrespectful" of democracy? ehrnst Jan 2019 #92

Nobody said "boo" about this editorial begging Hillary not to run again! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #97

But you know... that's.... different. Not "preventing democracy" at all.... ehrnst Jan 2019 #103

If by "reasons" you mean "hypocrisy" ... you're correct! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #108

Three things. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #115

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #117

um.... George II Jan 2019 #192

And I'm like... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #193

Of course it wasn't posted here melman Jan 2019 #140

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #144

Why so sad? melman Jan 2019 #150

I'm not. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #158

Oh melman Jan 2019 #161

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #162

... George II Jan 2019 #188

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #189

That's it- make it about the emoji when you're desperate for a response. ehrnst Jan 2019 #167

Desperate for a response? melman Jan 2019 #169

Clearly. ehrnst Jan 2019 #173

That reminds me, let me know when we can stop dancing around the REAL fucking issue. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #174

You rock! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #175

Yes indeed. lapucelle Jan 2019 #198

As long as we're on the topic of emojis... lapucelle Jan 2019 #199

Yes... retreat and surrender is the best option at this point. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #112

"Goalpost moved yet again..." And you're unable to see the irony in making that statement. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #87

No, irony at all. I'm just following the bouncing goalposts. ehrnst Jan 2019 #94

Is an editorial saying that DT shouldn't run in 2020 "preventing Democracy" too? ehrnst Jan 2019 #72

Similar "logic" was used to argue that closed upcoming primaries will "disenfranchise" voters. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #119

Unlike caucuses which actually disenfranchise voters ehrnst Jan 2019 #122

Actually, their position is about his divisiveness. nt R B Garr Jan 2019 #42

HIS. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #145

It said a lot more than just that he can't win. The paper supports their Vermont readership. George II Jan 2019 #56

The paper is vague about what he failed at but the people aikoaiko Jan 2019 #60

A newspaper criticizing their own Senator after he got elected? ehrnst Jan 2019 #70

He's popular in Vermont, not so much anywhere else. George II Jan 2019 #73

They are asking what Vermonters can decisively point to as R B Garr Jan 2019 #78

Since when did losing handily stop him? LexVegas Jan 2019 #13

Bernie conceded after the last votes. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #28

Which "last votes?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #35

Primary votes. And then he conceded a month later. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #63

Months. Do you have a problem with facts? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #64

It took him over a month, during which he continued to fight against her nomination. In contrast, LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #82

What in his history leads you to believe he'll leave the race?... SidDithers Jan 2019 #14

Bernie gave his supporters the chance to vote for him aikoaiko Jan 2019 #30

Some people think the voters in the last primary and caucus states should be able to participate. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #43

Nothing stopping them. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #93

Fortunately not. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #147

So any editorial saying Trump shouldn't run is also "against" participation in primaries/caucuses ehrnst Jan 2019 #154

No I am saying that staying in the race during the primary/caucus season is OK. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #160

I have no idea what tangent you have gone off on now... ehrnst Jan 2019 #163

You are the tangent. You replied to me. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #185

Kindly re-read your posts before duplicating them. ehrnst Jan 2019 #205

That wasn't a duplicate. I didn't thyink the first one posted. The content is largely unique. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #208

It was "correct" because you say it was correct? ehrnst Jan 2019 #212

I suggested that Clinton and Sanders were right in 2008 and 2016 respectively. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #217

You are the tangent you replied to me. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #186

Probably best that you put me on ignore. ehrnst Jan 2019 #204

I could, but I have actually seen you post things worthy of note. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #207

"Troll attack" - you mean when someone rebuts something you say so sucessfully ehrnst Jan 2019 #213

No I mean when a troll can't figure out the topic and harps for days on their misunderstanding. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #218

Intentionally Obtuse? ehrnst Jan 2019 #219

I clarified several times. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #220

Your responsive were evasive several times. One might even say "obtuse." ehrnst Jan 2019 #222

In my opinion Clinton and Sanders were correct when they stayed in their respective races. nt Gore1FL Jan 2019 #223

This newspaper editorial board isn't preventing anyone from doing that. ehrnst Jan 2019 #95

The OP seemed to think they shouldn't, though Gore1FL Jan 2019 #149

The voters in the last primary and caucus states "shouldn't be able to participate?" Really? ehrnst Jan 2019 #152

Post 14. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #159

I see I've hit a nerve. You mean this #14? ehrnst Jan 2019 #170

You've hit a nerve by being obtuse. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #187

You are unhappy with what the points the editorial makes, so you declare it to be "wrong." ehrnst Jan 2019 #203

No. my post had nothing to do with the editorial. It had to do with post 14. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #206

We're talking about your response to *my question.* Nice try at evasion tho.. ehrnst Jan 2019 #210

I don;t even know what question you asked. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #215

btw that's not post 14. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #209

This #14? (thank you for pointing out I clicked on the link above it) ehrnst Jan 2019 #211

Read post 14. Gore1FL Jan 2019 #216

ZERO chance he doesnt run unless states demand tax returns, zero Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #165

Because an obscure little newspaper doesn't like him? Yosemito Jan 2019 #16

That's also calling Vermont's capitol region readership "obscure" and "little." ehrnst Jan 2019 #20

I'm not a fan of Bernie Yosemito Jan 2019 #21

What 'corporate thing" are you referring to? ehrnst Jan 2019 #22

It has a circulation of less than 8500 flotsam Jan 2019 #191

And? The entire population of Vermont is smaller than Nashville. ehrnst Jan 2019 #202

"doesn't like him". Their reasons for begging him not to run R B Garr Jan 2019 #24

It's funny how they claim VT needed his votes aikoaiko Jan 2019 #31

Are you going to say their font discredits them next? (tn) ehrnst Jan 2019 #36

"This is what he has done for us". That is the quote about R B Garr Jan 2019 #39

The people of VT spoke to this issue when they reelected he aikoaiko Jan 2019 #50

Do think that the newspaper editors should be gagged from critiquing their own Senator ehrnst Jan 2019 #55

They asked if Vermonters can say definitively "This is R B Garr Jan 2019 #67

The one obvious harm is that he'll split vote on the left, which might not be a bad thing during the OnDoutside Jan 2019 #23

The editorial notes: lapucelle Jan 2019 #32

If only they could name the bills that would have passed aikoaiko Jan 2019 #48

And that font! Totally discredits their position. ehrnst Jan 2019 #76

If you say so. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #79

.... ehrnst Jan 2019 #96

"Bernie Sanders: Senate votes are what I'm paid to do" lapucelle Jan 2019 #121

Is this one of the largest newspapers? Yosemito Jan 2019 #11

It depends on what you mean by a "large newspaper." ehrnst Jan 2019 #17

The Times-Argus is the second largest newspaper by circulation in Vermont TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #107

No, it's not Yosemito Jan 2019 #114

It was when I built a spreadsheet of the top 10 newspapers in 2016 TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #128

K&R. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #15

K&R murielm99 Jan 2019 #19

Love Bernie, but zentrum Jan 2019 #25

That settles it!!!! guillaumeb Jan 2019 #26

Strawman much? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #38

It fits the post. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #45

Because it's in VT, it's a "small newspaper." ehrnst Jan 2019 #57

What is clear is that the newspaper piece attacks Sanders. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #62

You think that editors should be gagged from anything but positive comments about ehrnst Jan 2019 #68

Not at all. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #71

Only if it's Sanders. And it's not positive. ehrnst Jan 2019 #80

No. It's not the biggest in the "Capitol region? Yosemito Jan 2019 #88

Yes, thanks. ehrnst Jan 2019 #89

It's not the biggest there Yosemito Jan 2019 #91

As I said, it's the major newspaper of the VT capital region. ehrnst Jan 2019 #98

Give me the ranking in the region Yosemito Jan 2019 #100

If you are talking about pulp copies, I don't know if that's a reliable metric. Online subscriptions ehrnst Jan 2019 #102

Wow.. who is that guy to be Cha Jan 2019 #134

If they really want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue ehrnst Jan 2019 #141

It's the #2 newspaper in paid circulation behind the Burlington Free Press. TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #111

And what is that total circulation? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #146

I trust that you know how to use Google? TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #151

So, do you have an answer to that? And what significance it has that you feel a need demand ehrnst Jan 2019 #155

I don't care who they are.. they're Cha Jan 2019 #132

We disagree. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #148

Yeah, I know.. but thanks for Cha Jan 2019 #166

Yep, that about sums it up. kstewart33 Jan 2019 #29

I agree with them. smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #33

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2019 #37

Very convincing, intelligent, true assessment of Bernie BarbD Jan 2019 #53

I lived in Burlington for a year after college (UVM was one of my secondary choices) and smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #109

I remember it, Smirky.. And, Cha Jan 2019 #135

... Scurrilous Jan 2019 #131

Thank you for those Cha Jan 2019 #138

The Times Argus is a very left-leaning publication, glad to see them speaking out. George II Jan 2019 #40

Yeah, so left leaning they supported the republican for Governor in November. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2019 #59

Yet it looks like several Vermont "Independents" didn't support R B Garr Jan 2019 #106

Where do you come up with this stuff? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2019 #113

Check out CNN right now and learn something.. revmclaren Jan 2019 #118

It comes from the candidate himself. He came to California R B Garr Jan 2019 #125

So the Burlington Free Press, the Barre-Montepelier Time-Argus, Seven Days, and Vermont Digger TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #123

Yes! Just a quick Google shows the owner is.... R B Garr Jan 2019 #105

My fear is... TexasAggieDemocrat12 Jan 2019 #47

I love Bernie !!! SamKnause Jan 2019 #58

😂 aidbo Jan 2019 #66

K&R Progressive dog Jan 2019 #104

K&R Gothmog Jan 2019 #110

CNN is about to do a story about this. revmclaren Jan 2019 #116

Don't have a tv.. Cha Jan 2019 #139

The editor basically stated revmclaren Jan 2019 #156

Mahalo, rev! That's what I've been saying! Cha Jan 2019 #164

You can find a paper to do a scathing editorial on a Presidential candidate in his own back yard. JCanete Jan 2019 #120

Duplicate articles are permitted in General Discussion. TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #124

Nor did I say they shouldn't be, so why you'd focus on that in my post I have no idea. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #126

You're the one that complained about having to read the same article twice. TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #129

No, the more the Merrier! Cha Jan 2019 #133

For my part, I'd get bored of the same article praising Bernie. If you want to be breathless about JCanete Jan 2019 #136

So why did you click on this thread in the first place? TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #137

Because there's more information to be gleaned than the article itself silly. There's what posters JCanete Jan 2019 #142

Yet, you could have moved on without making a comment complaining about the same article being TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #143

again, hardly the thrust of my original post. But gravitate to what you will. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jan 2019 #172

yeah, keep kicking this important Cha Jan 2019 #177

I don't fear exposure of commentary like this Cha.Even if it were insightful and unimpeachable JCanete Jan 2019 #181

Keep it up! Cha Jan 2019 #183

...okay...again...don't care. JCanete Jan 2019 #184

I'd vote for AOC before I'd vote for Bernie. LuvLoogie Jan 2019 #127

She was an organizer for Bernie. dogman Jan 2019 #179

Perhaps he should run as a republican? nt SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #153

the Bernie-acs at my workplace are at it already lanlady Jan 2019 #157

Clearly not. But some people think that changing one's mind is "corrupt." ehrnst Jan 2019 #168

They don't care. Cha Jan 2019 #176

For this thread Gothmog Jan 2019 #178

Jane Mayer has his #. Cha Jan 2019 #180

I love how casually people label Sanders as "abrasive" when the same said about Warren/Clinton... MadDAsHell Jan 2019 #182

He is abrasive though. Extremely rude and dismissive, ecstatic Jan 2019 #190

Some of the reasons, estactic.. Cha Jan 2019 #194

okay. That is actually utterly ridiculous. How much ground did Sanders pick up JCanete Jan 2019 #200

K & R... revmclaren Jan 2019 #195

Amen x Infinity! Rik von Beer Jan 2019 #196

I predict... Mike Nelson Jan 2019 #201

Interestingly, many here are trying to dismiss this as a "tiny, nowhere" little rag. ehrnst Jan 2019 #214

It's probably the top capital region publication in the state. George II Jan 2019 #221