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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts) Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:31 PM Feb 2019

The visceral hatred for Bernie is starting to remind me of the RW hate for Obama. [View all]

Some people are triggered by literally everything he does. Post-hoc inventing of special rules to follow that have never applied to anyone else, perpetual flipping out about things he did or didn't do that are common as dirt, totally ignoring his long track record on important issues while compulsively obsessing over the smallest details of tone and style, and throwing common sense and logic completely out of the window.

Obama:

"release the birth certificate!!!111"

"look how his flag pin is crooked! he disrespects the troops!!!111"

"he is secretly a Muslim!!111"

"but he isn't a real American!!!111"

"his health care plan is anti-Christian!!111"

Bernie:

"release the tax returns!!!1111"

"look how he waves his hands and turns his head! he disrespects women and minorities!!!111"

"he is secretly a Russian!!111"

"but he isn't a real Democrat!!!111"

"his health care plan is sexist!!111"

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The visceral hatred for Bernie is starting to remind me of the RW hate for Obama. [View all] redgreenandblue Feb 2019 OP

I'm over here waiting patiently for the threads chastising Kamala Harris for daring to speak... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #1

The more voices the better, especially if they are speaking in unison AGAINST Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #3

Agreed. N/t TCJ70 Feb 2019 #11

Sure. Why stop with Harris? Why not Gillibrand and Warren question everything Feb 2019 #214

Don't you worry... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #217

Agree mountain grammy Feb 2019 #35

It's not hate towards Bernie DownriverDem Feb 2019 #61

It's absolutely towards Bernie... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #65

Again, tell it to the Democrats. dogman Feb 2019 #91

wow. you don't say? ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #92

I bet they thought you were just a little MuseRider Feb 2019 #186

I like Bernie, I just don't think he is a good candidate for President emulatorloo Feb 2019 #2

Me too n/t FreeState Feb 2019 #8

Agreed. eom LittleGirl Feb 2019 #28

Same here, eom get the red out Feb 2019 #59

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #74

He is too divisive nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #122

I tend to agree. ananda Feb 2019 #157

Agreed 100% relayerbob Feb 2019 #159

I think he would do well MuseRider Feb 2019 #190

How many reasons are there NOT to release them? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #201

Asking Sanders to release his tax returns is hatred? brooklynite Feb 2019 #4

Bernie has his own rules grantcart Feb 2019 #7

I too await a response to this question. Politely. yardwork Feb 2019 #18

It is weird if repeated over and over, especially since it is highly unlikely that redgreenandblue Feb 2019 #27

Then why won't he release them? Adrahil Feb 2019 #40

So why doesn't he release his tax returns? He promised to do so in 2017. yardwork Feb 2019 #41

He promised to do so in 2016 as well. In fact Jane sat under the Brooklyn Bridge.... George II Feb 2019 #50

We're waiting politely. yardwork Feb 2019 #168

"Unlikely that the tax returns contain any interesting information." ehrnst Feb 2019 #47

The problem of course is how people who are dedicated democrats Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #202

+1 MLAA Feb 2019 #279

I have a valid request... qazplm135 Feb 2019 #68

It is the double standard that is irritating. Bernie's tax returns..Hillary's Goldman Sach's speech LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #121

Hillary released decades of tax returns. These false R B Garr Feb 2019 #139

You are hillarious LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #161

You are just trying to divert to talk about me personally R B Garr Feb 2019 #234

You are dead-on right. JudyM Feb 2019 #281

Bogus false analogies are what is "oppositional R B Garr Feb 2019 #287

Is Hillary running again in 2020? MH1 Feb 2019 #305

But releasing tax returns was a part of the common practice in running for office LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #306

Why is it weird? He and Dotard are the only ones that haven't done it treestar Feb 2019 #124

That's company I wouldn't want to be in. yardwork Feb 2019 #169

Yeah... wtf? Adrahil Feb 2019 #33

Bernie also True Blue American Feb 2019 #147

The OP didn't say hatred Apollyonus Feb 2019 #131

. Asking Sanders to release his tax returns is NOT hatred !!! and, HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT !!!!!!! trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #154

Excellent questions. Cha Feb 2019 #215

I totally understand your perspective. David__77 Feb 2019 #5

The level of obsession is really weird. nt. Mariana Feb 2019 #6

I think it may be obsessive. David__77 Feb 2019 #10

There is the fear of Dotard getting another term treestar Feb 2019 #130

In which direction? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #146

Should we nominate someone who is viewed so divisively within our own party? LonePirate Feb 2019 #9

I've asked myself this question. redgreenandblue Feb 2019 #13

Latest primary polling I've seen puts Bernie in third place behind Biden and Harris emulatorloo Feb 2019 #24

Who here "hates" Bernie Sanders? Not me. dawg day Feb 2019 #34

I do. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #88

About 1/2 dozen prolific posters? Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #291

I lulzed. Tipperary Feb 2019 #302

He seems to have faded to polls compared to where he was. Adrahil Feb 2019 #42

Most of that positive polling leftynyc Feb 2019 #78

Last I looked he was 3 points behind Harris. Nothing has been posted this week Autumn Feb 2019 #95

Good question, but ironic, considering.... just saying. yardwork Feb 2019 #19

Why would we stop nominating people who are viewed divisively within our own party? quakerboy Feb 2019 #135

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #12

I like Bernie, I just don't want to go through the whole Hillary - Bernie debacle again. Initech Feb 2019 #14

Pretty sure Hilary isn't running this time around so you should be ok. aidbo Feb 2019 #220

I joined DU after the 2016 election Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #15

I think you missed half of that movie BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #96

So what others did before justifies what some are doing now? Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #174

Who said it did? BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #207

How the hell is "release the birth certificate" in any way the same as "release the tax returns"? manor321 Feb 2019 #16

Because it is extremely unlikely that there is anything interesting in them. nt redgreenandblue Feb 2019 #21

How do you know this? And wouldn't it be best to just clear it up? yardwork Feb 2019 #26

What???? FrankBooth Feb 2019 #39

What objectively leads you to that conclusion? LanternWaste Feb 2019 #51

Then what's the problem with releasing them? dawg day Feb 2019 #57

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Feb 2019 #66

I don't believe that or they would have been released. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #100

Exactly. There is something treestar Feb 2019 #132

Then Why Doesn't He Release Them? Me. Feb 2019 #212

*** BULLSHIT PRETZEL LOGIC *** uponit7771 Feb 2019 #246

No shit. And how are issues surrounding him and his campaign about equality and harassment anything MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #229

I want ALL candidates to release their returns SHRED Feb 2019 #17

thank you! renate Feb 2019 #20

You see no difference between a call to release yet another birth certificate -- dawg day Feb 2019 #22

Bernie released his 2014 tax documents . Autumn Feb 2019 #46

He released two pages - the Form 1040 - no Schedule A or Schedule B or any other.... George II Feb 2019 #52

And this is what the OP is talking about quakerboy Feb 2019 #209

That was long after the fact, he originally released only the first two pages. The last five pages.. George II Feb 2019 #222

You are only proving the ops point. quakerboy Feb 2019 #224

"The other pages showed nothing that wasnt apparent" This is false on its face, bad gaslighting uponit7771 Feb 2019 #247

I dont know you, but this feels like bad faith to me. quakerboy Feb 2019 #271

Details, which is the point of the rest of the pages uponit7771 Feb 2019 #272

Expecting transparency from someone who smears others R B Garr Feb 2019 #292

That's one of the simplest returns imaginable. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #237

If "But you (i.e, I) know that" was true, why did you explain it to me? But.... George II Feb 2019 #242

Look up thrift savings plan and the "still working" exemptions. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #245

There still are RMDs involved. George II Feb 2019 #248

You didn't look up thrift savings plan and still working exemptions, now did you. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #250

Yes I did. There still are RMDs involved. George II Feb 2019 #251

You didn't look too hard, did you. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #254

I looked hard enough, and there still is no notation on his tax return about any contributions... George II Feb 2019 #255

Contributions are on the W2 for a W2 employee. This is basic stuff. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #264

Where is the Form W-2 for this "complete" tax return? George II Feb 2019 #265

Well at least you are now educated on the TSP and (non) minimum distributions. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #267

I WAS educated on this before this discussion began. Will anxiously await the complete return. George II Feb 2019 #270

How transparent is Bernie Sanders on his tax returns? Gothmog Feb 2019 #127

You know Bernie is a Russian asset and his goal is to destroy the Dem party because he hates it? Autumn Feb 2019 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author melman Feb 2019 #60

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #177

Tad Devine.... Manafort ... Roger Stone Apollyonus Feb 2019 #144

Yup, identical messages. What are the odds... R B Garr Feb 2019 #293

Are you saying that Bernie is not likeable? yardwork Feb 2019 #25

Very very interesting treestar Feb 2019 #260

What is hateful about asking a candidate to release his/her tax returns? mcar Feb 2019 #29

I've answered the tax return thing above. redgreenandblue Feb 2019 #31

I have no idea if he has something to hide mcar Feb 2019 #37

Your answer is insufficient treestar Feb 2019 #134

It's not, of course. mountain grammy Feb 2019 #48

I'm only talking about the tax returns mcar Feb 2019 #49

So what? BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #98

Interesting romana Feb 2019 #30

The biggest difference is that both Hillary and Obama were registered *DEMOCRATS* scheming daemons Feb 2019 #38

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2019 #45

Excuse Me...He isn't A Real Democrat Me. Feb 2019 #32

Neither was Jesus. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #58

I bet if Jesus ran for president, he'd become a Democrat. dawg day Feb 2019 #63

Read your bible, sir. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #64

Then with all due respect... Adrahil Feb 2019 #240

I wholeheartedly agree. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #256

If people are concerned about regular candidates because of their hughee99 Feb 2019 #184

Has he announced yet? George II Feb 2019 #84

I don't suspect he will. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #110

Are You Comparing Bernie Sanders To Jesus? Me. Feb 2019 #85

Yes, yes he is. The poster knows this viscerally. Hekate Feb 2019 #101

Nope. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #102

There Is No Comparison Me. Feb 2019 #112

There is. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #118

Boy Have You Got It Bad Me. Feb 2019 #133

I have no words mcar Feb 2019 #187

why does someone always have to bring religion into the yuiyoshida Feb 2019 #180

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Feb 2019 #284

Wouldn't be the first time one of his supporters did that. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #103

I am a Sanders supporter? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #106

I couldn't care less. You're the one who invoked Jesus. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #109

It's generally difficult to follow unintelligible propositions. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #117

You might have missed this post Renew Deal Feb 2019 #128

Ummm mcar Feb 2019 #188

Jesus espoused the very things Liberals stand for! True Blue American Feb 2019 #151

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #226

You're on the right track. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #261

and that applies to Jesus also still_one Feb 2019 #285

And a bird did land on Sanders podium after all. Ha ha. peacefrogman Feb 2019 #283

The big difference is that it was the *RW* that hated Obama.....which is a good thing scheming daemons Feb 2019 #36

Were you here 2008-20016? mcar Feb 2019 #189

I've been here since 2003 scheming daemons Feb 2019 #194

Some were trolls, yes mcar Feb 2019 #196

Really? brandnewday2009 Feb 2019 #43

Bernie should release his tax returns leftofcool Feb 2019 #44

Bernie released some of his 2014 documents and said if he were the nominee he would release more. Autumn Feb 2019 #77

That list is from 2017, and only two on your list.... George II Feb 2019 #90

2016 is before 2017 and Bernie is not running. As yet. You can go look for a newer one if Autumn Feb 2019 #120

He did in 2016, but none of those on the 2017 list ran in 2016. George II Feb 2019 #129

When you are posting diversions from the real points then R B Garr Feb 2019 #297

Bernie Sanders has released few tax returns compared with past and present candidates Gothmog Feb 2019 #221

I know, it's embarassing. Magoo48 Feb 2019 #53

Expecting candidates to release their tax returns is not "embarrassing." nt SunSeeker Feb 2019 #70

"He didn't release his tax returns" TheFarseer Feb 2019 #263

I liked Sanders until June 8, 2016. His conduct after that point completely changed my mind. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #54

It was his behavior at the convention and his supporters at the convention and after redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #115

Same for me. True Blue American Feb 2019 #158

Yep, he was acting like a fox in the henhouse that night. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #160

So were his supporters. True Blue American Feb 2019 #163

Me too. It made me sad to be honest. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #165

I am sorry True Blue American Feb 2019 #166

That's where he lost me as well. yardwork Feb 2019 #173

I lost all respect for BS when he Cha Feb 2019 #195

Bernie endorsed Hillary, it's not his fault that some psycho Bernie bros. didn't vote for her AdamGG Feb 2019 #55

It's his fault he gave Trump cover for not releasing his tax returns pnwmom Feb 2019 #73

It's actually well deserved. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #104

I wonder how many Sanders supporters did not vote for Clinton because hughee99 Feb 2019 #191

Sounds like a strawman. Besides, who votes based on somebody being "mean" to them on the Internet? emulatorloo Feb 2019 #208

So a strawman is when someone sets up a fauty premise hughee99 Feb 2019 #230

I missed the part where Bernie supporters were called racists by Clinton supporters emulatorloo Feb 2019 #268

You missed it? You really weren't aware that there was an attempt to paint Sanders hughee99 Feb 2019 #273

The person who wrote the first thread was tombstoned, the second thread doesn't emulatorloo Feb 2019 #274

The inference that he's a Russian agent is particularly bad. David__77 Feb 2019 #56

Really. ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #62

Heh, heh, heh. progressoid Feb 2019 #67

Or maybe people just want him to meet the same standards as Obama and Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2019 #69

+1 SunSeeker Feb 2019 #72

+1 LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #82

Indeed treestar Feb 2019 #262

If Sanders were vetted by today's stricter standards he'd have never made it into the primaries. Ufta88 Feb 2019 #71

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #75

Expecting a candidate to release his tax returns is not the same as birtherism. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #76

lol ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #79

I'm very interested in seeing his tax returns. Why all the secrecy? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #80

aren't we overdramatizing here by calling it "hatred" onetexan Feb 2019 #81

That sounds so much like the Russian Troll crap that was being passed around Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #83

In 2016, Russian trolls attacked Hillary and promoted Trump and Bernie. Let's be historically emulatorloo Feb 2019 #210

Oh, so you think they actually helped Bernie in 2016 because he won? Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #299

Obviously they wanted Trump to win and they wanted the Dem nominee to lose. emulatorloo Feb 2019 #300

+1000 Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #86

It's been weird to watch that build up over the last 2 and a half years. dgauss Feb 2019 #87

Two and a half years has been long enough to release the tax returns. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #89

You nailed it Champion Jack Feb 2019 #93

You must see the difference. honest.abe Feb 2019 #94

To be honest I haven't seen any of that other stuff here on DU. As for the tax returns.... George II Feb 2019 #105

Me either. honest.abe Feb 2019 #108

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Cha Feb 2019 #216

It is my opinion that Sen. Sanders won't be the 2020 candidate for two reason. The first is that he Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #97

Factually speaking, he is NOT a Democrat at all. He is an Independent who identifies as Socialist. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #99

Tell the Democrats. dogman Feb 2019 #107

He is registered as an Independent. That's a fact. He says he is a socialist. That's a fact. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #111

Take it up with Skinner. QC Feb 2019 #114

Fact: He is an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. He registered as a Dem for 2016 election Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #119

Best words ever spoken... As for Jill Stein: She can go fuck herself. Autumn Feb 2019 #125

Well that was nearly a year and a half ago... honest.abe Feb 2019 #136

Check again if you'd like. Same DU rule persists unequivocally. JudyM Feb 2019 #156

Do the rules ever change? honest.abe Feb 2019 #170

The admins know what they're doing. JudyM Feb 2019 #275

What if he runs as 3rd party independent? honest.abe Feb 2019 #294

He won't. JudyM Feb 2019 #295

But if he did the rules would change... right? honest.abe Feb 2019 #298

That very last line ... happybird Feb 2019 #137

He's so popular today! David__77 Feb 2019 #113

The OP drips with white privilege BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #116

Oh my... jmowreader Feb 2019 #123

Eh Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2019 #126

The problem with Bernie jgmiller Feb 2019 #138

Yes. Hortensis Feb 2019 #167

One MAJOR difference Apollyonus Feb 2019 #140

+1! honest.abe Feb 2019 #145

I was at the National Convention when Congressman John Lewis was booed Gothmog Feb 2019 #155

So asking for his tax returns awesomerwb1 Feb 2019 #141

The Post Appears to be an Over-Reaction to Any Criticism of Bernie dlk Feb 2019 #142

Count me in as one who has a visceral lillypaddle Feb 2019 #143

I admit it kennetha Feb 2019 #148

Like talking points being fed from the same source. CentralMass Feb 2019 #149

+1 jalan48 Feb 2019 #162

Daivd Brock's troll shop got the story started on Twitter, QC Feb 2019 #225

I don't think it's "visceral." marybourg Feb 2019 #150

I don't hate Bernie hurple Feb 2019 #152

Same old same old Roy Rolling Feb 2019 #153

It is ridiculous. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #164

Sorry, but Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #171

Why I spend more time on Twitter JonLP24 Feb 2019 #172

So true. zentrum Feb 2019 #175

For some of us, Bernie's not the problem. cab67 Feb 2019 #176

Right, and they somehow think Sanders would have trounced Trump -- as if the Russians pnwmom Feb 2019 #179

I appreciate your post and agree. mysteryowl Feb 2019 #178

Creatures of darkness fear the light. pdsimdars Feb 2019 #181

But I've been told Bernie's a Russian Agent ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #182

Some days you have to wonder MuseRider Feb 2019 #200

I understand having some issues with Bernie ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #211

Agreed. MuseRider Feb 2019 #219

You say Bernie isn't a real democrat like that's a matter of opinion hughee99 Feb 2019 #183

He is a Democratic Socialist JonLP24 Feb 2019 #193

I'm not saying his politics aren't well aligned with the party hughee99 Feb 2019 #198

He does that in agreement with the Democratic Party ironically JonLP24 Feb 2019 #205

He would also have the option to actually run as a Dem hughee99 Feb 2019 #233

He could just run as an Independent in Vermont and beat both the Democrat and the Republican JonLP24 Feb 2019 #239

I am not a Bloomberg fan, and I do not dislike Bernie, hughee99 Feb 2019 #252

"When you go by his voting record he is more of a Democrat..." Demit Feb 2019 #213

He is clear he has always been a Democratic Socialist JonLP24 Feb 2019 #223

Did you read what you posted? sheshe2 Feb 2019 #232

I realize that JonLP24 Feb 2019 #238

It is also a year and a half old. nt sheshe2 Feb 2019 #241

I would like some 2018 numbers JonLP24 Feb 2019 #243

OK sheshe2 Feb 2019 #244

+ infinity - n/t Locrian Feb 2019 #185

BS brings it on himself with his own words.. Cha Feb 2019 #192

Yes. x( elleng Feb 2019 #197

There are definitely some who can be described as "hating" Sanders. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #199

You sang my song, Caliman73. Very well put. Anon-C Feb 2019 #203

I disagree with your statement: "No one says he is Russian or in league with them." David__77 Feb 2019 #227

A few nitwits on Twitter?!? honest.abe Feb 2019 #228

Okay. There are silly people on all sides. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #235

Very well stated. honest.abe Feb 2019 #231

You are comparing racism to financial political transparency. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #204

I've been gone a while, but my posting here goes back to the Bush years theboss Feb 2019 #206

Visceral? Hardly. Hey if he can't take a slight dose of what Hillary went thru then .... Ufta88 Feb 2019 #218

I will admit that to me, Bernie contributed to Trump victory Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #236

Well said. MH1 Feb 2019 #266

Could same could be said about Sanders "Visceral Hatred" of democrats looking at Sanders comments .. uponit7771 Feb 2019 #249

You know who is a REAL Democrat? Ralph Northam. He can moonwalk too! aidbo Feb 2019 #253

He attacks democrats and that is triggering, especially considering where we're at ecstatic Feb 2019 #257

Yup. The anti-Semitism is as disgusting as the racism Arazi Feb 2019 #258

+1 JudyM Feb 2019 #277

Actually, anti-Semitism is racism. David__77 Feb 2019 #282

I suspect you will get an arguement from some on that weather it is a race, religion or both. still_one Feb 2019 #286

+1 TheFarseer Feb 2019 #259

So maybe go hang out at BernieUnderground.com? MrGrieves Feb 2019 #269

I find it odd that this chum was thrown in the water today. MrGrieves Feb 2019 #276

Yawn. tavernier Feb 2019 #278

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #280

What a fucking straw man you have set up... GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #288

+1 Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #301

I want to know.... quickesst Feb 2019 #289

The !1 phenomenon is to represent a typo resulting in overzealous typing. It's not some hidden code. aidbo Feb 2019 #303

Ok quickesst Feb 2019 #308

The cult of personality Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #290

+1 LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #304

LOL "visceral" betsuni Feb 2019 #296

Of these quotes, its true Bernie isn't a real Democrat. apnu Feb 2019 #307