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SuprstitionAintthWay

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Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:53 AM Oct 2019

All of the "they fought along side of us" stuff really pisses me off. [View all]

Last edited Wed Oct 9, 2019, 08:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Even most supporters of the Kurds are presenting the bloody, horrific 5 year war to take away the Islamic State's Caliphate in such an unbalanced way that it's essentially dishonest.

The Kurds fought the Islamic State half a mile to several miles OUT IN FRONT OF US, or 3,000 to 20,000 feet BELOW US. NOT "side-by-side" or "shoulder to shoulder" with us. That's how the Kurdish Pesh Merga lost 11,000 killed in action - men and women soldiers alike - while we lost 10.

Some of those 11,000 killed were captives of the Islamic State's sadistic butchers and rapists before they died, too.

Our special forces were back on some hilltop or knoll with laptops, overhead photography, maps, and laser ranging tools, sending the Kurds up front coordinates and images of where THEY should "engage" the ISIS fighters next. And of course our warplanes above bombed the holy hell out of ISIS fighters... then flew safely back to their bases or carriers.

We purposefully used the Kurds to keep Americans safely out of rifle and RPG range. And they accepted that, did the actual ground fighting, and died and were wounded (24,000) in large numbers as a result.

That's quite some ally we had there.

And then Trump after one of his famously nuts phone calls turns the Turks loose on them.


(Edit to add the source of the casualty figures: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/07/trump-abandons-syrian-kurds-top-commander-pleads-us-support/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)

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Big K&R. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #1
That makes it all even worse. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #2
A guest on CNN with knowledge of this said the Kurds did 95% of the fighting. nt Mike 03 Oct 2019 #3
Creating new foes from allies... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2019 #4
aside from Congress, need UN (starting w/General Assembly) to act cloudythescribbler Oct 2019 #5
What do you think the UN General Assembly dumbcat Oct 2019 #22
The damage is already done. groundloop Oct 2019 #41
I view the conflict with ISIS as an extension of the regime change in Iraq pecosbob Oct 2019 #6
No one's saying they do all this altruistically, with no interests of their own. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #12
Agreed pecosbob Oct 2019 #13
We didn't carve it out in Iraq because Turkey and Syria objected bigbrother05 Oct 2019 #15
The common assumption is parts of Iran Turkey and Syria would also try to break away. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #16
and we would need allies? stopdiggin Oct 2019 #18
I don't have a handy source to link for this, but my understanding is SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #20
The ME is so F'd up...a new country will just create more problems. LeftInTX Oct 2019 #24
They have oil. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #25
Just hold on for awhile... llmart Oct 2019 #32
Kick and recommend for truth. bronxiteforever Oct 2019 #7
100% Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #8
K&R WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #9
The Kurds are badasses superpatriotman Oct 2019 #10
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #11
Amen. orangecrush Oct 2019 #14
Out in front, protecting the world from ISIS. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #17
Turn the impeached tRump over to the KPN Oct 2019 #19
That would make America great. gordianot Oct 2019 #23
When did we stop honoring our fallen comrades? FakeNoose Oct 2019 #43
another big K&R. demigoddess Oct 2019 #21
Richard Engel posted a link earlier in the week about the the Kurdish fighting force. Worth a watch. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #26
+1000 Anon-C Oct 2019 #27
just like we did in afghanistan. mopinko Oct 2019 #28
trump is a traitor to everyone Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #29
Btw I'm not Kurdish myself, and if I even know any Kurdish-Americans SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #30
What he's done is sickening. Karadeniz Oct 2019 #31
+100000000000000000000000000000. roamer65 Oct 2019 #33
You're conflating talking heads and u.s. special ops forces. they know the Kurdish fighters Kurt V. Oct 2019 #34
Our special forces talked with constantly and knew the Kurdish soldiers personally, yes, absolutely. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #37
K&R Cetacea Oct 2019 #35
K&R hay rick Oct 2019 #36
K&R. dchill Oct 2019 #38
K and R. warmfeet Oct 2019 #39
K&R for a post that puts things in perspective Ohioboy Oct 2019 #40
I wonder how many of our other alais will say NO the next time we ask for their help? napi21 Oct 2019 #42
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2019 #44
Great post, TY. appalachiablue Oct 2019 #45
K & R ... + 1,000,000. Facts and details matter - a lot! I too am Much obliged for your OP. n/t MFGsunny Oct 2019 #46
The Kurds did the fighting for us is more accurate. Moral Compass Oct 2019 #47
Reportedly ISIS fighters were particularly upset by female Pesh Merga. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2019 #48
Yes, we fought ISIS to the last Kurd malthaussen Oct 2019 #49
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