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Pototan

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Thu May 2, 2024, 04:38 AM May 2

As an Agnostic, hasn't society had enough of religion? [View all]

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A little background. I have always been a religious skeptic, even from my early days. I remember at 12 years old, which would have been in the early sixties. My parents put me in Catechism class to prepare me for my Confirmation. My parents were Italian Catholics. It was just about the time that the Vatican allowed meat to be eaten on Fridays without it being a Cardinal sin. Well, one day I raised my hand to ask the Nun, in front of the class, "If my uncle was on a street corner on a Friday night 2 years ago and ate a hamburger and died without any other sins on his soul that night, he would have gone to hell. If his brother stood at that same corner this Friday night and ate a hamburger and dies without any sins on his soul, he goes to Heaven. How's that fair?" Well, that Nun was not happy and shoed me out of the room and called my father. My father said that the question I asked was for God to decide and I wasn't to ask that Nun any more questions in front of the class. If I had questions, bring them home.

Anyway, a little side story before I get to my point. I don't know if there's a God, and to be perfectly honest, I really don't care. I've read the Bible, especially the New Testament for its historical significance. After all, it was the only book people read for a couple of thousand years. There are nuggets of importance in that book. I admire Jesus the philosopher. Mathew 25, Sermon on the Mount, do unto others and tolerance. Jesus was far more a Socialist than I am. He advised his Disciples to sell everything they owned and give the money to the poor. I don't mind giving my share to charity, but there's no fucking way I'm selling everything I own and giving it to anyone. Sorry. Can't do. I agree on some levels, but I reserve my right to disagree. I am able to separate the philosophy from the fairy tales in the Bible, hence my being an Agnostic.

But, to my point in the title. Jews, Christians and Muslims all come from the same teachings of one God. That's why all of their Holy sites are clustered together in the same area. But what God taught all of you to kill each other? Christians are just an offshoot of Judaism. After all, you can't be a Christian without believing in the Old Testament (Torah). Yet, for hundreds of years, Christians killed Jews during the Inquisition. Protestants killed Catholics; Shiites slaughtered Sunnis. Jews Killed Muslims. Christians killed Muslims. Muslims killed Christians. It never ends, it only gets worse. Alright, maybe I can understand the ignorant people of the eleventh century following superstitions and not knowing any better. But fucking 2024. Give me a break.

When will the rest of us say, "enough"?

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I'd sure think so. elleng May 2 #1
Science isn't enough; storytelling is vital Ponietz May 2 #2
I do believe in God but I have to agree with the poster-religion managed by man is a killer quite often Stargazer99 May 2 #3
The atheist and agnostic need to be left alone as long as they are not hurting others Stargazer99 May 2 #5
But... 2naSalit May 2 #12
My point exactly Pototan May 2 #19
If you believe in a god, Sky Jewels May 2 #42
Well said. Think. Again. May 2 #4
Your post reminded me of a Tom Leher classic. eShirl May 2 #6
A memorable song! DFW May 2 #29
I don't understand the point here. betsuni May 2 #7
Simple point Pototan May 2 #9
How do you know religion causes much more misery than comfort? betsuni May 2 #11
How do I know religion causes so much misery? Pototan May 2 #14
No. Religion is an excuse, like anything else. You meant to say that plenty of people believe in gods and spirits betsuni May 2 #18
God is typically invoked by one side or another. Gore1FL May 2 #23
Which "God"? There are many gods and spirits and supernatural creatures people on this planet believe in. betsuni May 2 #24
Whatever their imagination creates. The is no God, in reality. nt Gore1FL May 2 #26
Yet people think they know everything, like gods. Whatever their imagination creates. betsuni May 2 #27
Man was not created in God's image Pototan May 2 #33
Exactly. Then they start wars. NT Gore1FL May 2 #39
Thanks. With you. elleng May 2 #15
To our destruction. Happy Hoosier May 2 #44
"But what God taught all of you to kill each other? " speak easy May 2 #8
My question was rhetorical Pototan May 2 #10
I submit Romans 8:31 gives anyne a blank check to do anything they want in the name of God. Gore1FL May 2 #25
And you know God taught you those things....how? brooklynite May 2 #38
Sick of all of them malaise May 2 #13
SHOULD know better. elleng May 2 #16
True malaise May 2 #31
Actually, some parts of planet earth may be ready to replace the mistaken Karadeniz May 2 #17
Ok that's a lot of nonsense TxGuitar May 2 #45
My feelings also WmChris May 2 #20
Amen, human! CCExile May 2 #21
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled... surfered May 2 #22
THIS malaise May 2 #32
a religious war can never be one. Its so divisive....just my opinion... samnsara May 2 #28
Religion is based in misogyny Walleye May 2 #30
THIS. Sky Jewels May 2 #43
As an atheist I say "yes" Goodheart May 2 #34
It's time we as a species evolve beyond religion. - eom IrishAfricanAmerican May 2 #35
Your experience echoes my own... MiHale May 2 #36
As an atheist I say yes, of course. Croney May 2 #37
I don't care how people decide to spend their Saturday or Sunday as long as the leave me out of it. Chainfire May 2 #40
Religion doesn't go away - it just gets reworked Sympthsical May 2 #41
Marriage, religion, all stone-age social structures we've long-since grown out of lindysalsagal May 2 #46
Locking after alerts and a discussion by the hosts Yonnie3 May 2 #47
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