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Ian David

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152. First they came for the smokers. Then they came for the public masturbators...

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:47 AM

Jul 2013

... and when they came for the outdoor shitters, there was nobody left to speak-up!

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The Real Motivation Behind Park And Beach Smoking Bans [View all] The Straight Story Jul 2013 OP

Banned because, among other things, the smell stinks HERVEPA Jul 2013 #1

it is my understanding Trajan Jul 2013 #15

Is this how you win over Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #127

It is how I might dismiss ridiculous arguments Trajan Jul 2013 #148

people's sweaty bodies stink too, & their nasty suntan lotions. also their nasty car exhaust, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #77

Show me someone customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #126

you didn't say anything about cancer, you said it stinks. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #134

I didn't say anything about stinking customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #183

Not in MY house! Thegonagle Jul 2013 #181

You don't have to worry about me smoking on your beach. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #133

Many smokers still just throw butts on the ground. Idiots. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #2

Yes. It's thoughtless, inconsiderate, and disgusting. This alone is enough reason to ban Zorra Jul 2013 #3

Along with chewing gum jberryhill Jul 2013 #52

And dog shit mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #76

dog shit is huge. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #78

That depends on the size of the dog DJ13 Jul 2013 #82

true, & unfortunately, this belongs to the neighbor... HiPointDem Jul 2013 #86

Holy Sh*T DJ13 Jul 2013 #106

that's nothing. the other neighbor has this one: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #113

I live in the country. I never see chewing gum, and rarely see dog shit, on the roadside Zorra Jul 2013 #116

yep elehhhhna Jul 2013 #6

That pisses me off Silent3 Jul 2013 #16

So true. People still throw them out the window. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #18

I hate them for that Kolesar Jul 2013 #83

Side effect of nicotine Mopar151 Jul 2013 #153

This. I'm an ex-smoker and I don't have a problem with the smoke LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #63

Great point. I know most smokers do this. Just a few are rude! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #65

That's the reason that people ban smoking from beaches and parks. yardwork Jul 2013 #102

When my neighbor comes over here, he does the same thing. B Calm Jul 2013 #129

The world is their ashtray corkhead Jul 2013 #177

There are all manner of activities we ban in public settings for mainly aesthetic reasons. surrealAmerican Jul 2013 #4

It stinks and they don't clean up after themselves. Iggo Jul 2013 #5

why focus on smokers? some smokers don't, just like some people generally. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #87

Because it stinks and they don't clean up after themselves. Iggo Jul 2013 #90

well, i do. and i'm certain i'm not the only one. plus i run a mile rather than smoke near people HiPointDem Jul 2013 #92

I bet if most beach smokers were like you, there wouldn't be a problem. Iggo Jul 2013 #93

i bet not. if it's visible, someone will take offense. my friend tested that theory with one HiPointDem Jul 2013 #94

LOL, the trick there is to get a vaping thing Mariana Jul 2013 #167

The resulting refuse does harm wildlife, and that is more than sufficient to ban it. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #7

except we don't ban all the plastic trash people leave laying about in public, especially at the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #81

Actually, we do that, we do it lots. bemildred Jul 2013 #125

we ban plastic products? then why do i see so many lying about? we have laws about litter, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #137

No we ban litter, like cigarette butts. bemildred Jul 2013 #138

we ban the act of littering. it doesn't matter what the litter is. no one likes to sit in litter HiPointDem Jul 2013 #141

Right, and smoking is banned because smokers litter the butts about. bemildred Jul 2013 #143

smoking isn't banned in parks and beaches, so i'm not sure what you're talking about. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #144

It is here (CA). bemildred Jul 2013 #147

if california wanted to stop *litter* they'd pass a law making butts more biodegradable (which HiPointDem Jul 2013 #157

Yes, they should, no non-biodegradable plastic for mass production products. bemildred Jul 2013 #158

And? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #8

From the article: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #11

I am sick of looking at drifts of heater butts in public places. Sue me. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #13

drifts? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #88

Do you have a link to the quote from the former editor of Tobacco Control? pnwmom Jul 2013 #39

And what tobacco company paid for this laughable study?? dbackjon Jul 2013 #59

lol Cha Jul 2013 #128

Even if it didn't cause cancer, it smells disgusting. That's the only justification needed. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #9

I'll try not to fart Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #85

Smokers: want these bans repealed? Two things: Aristus Jul 2013 #10

+1. Smoke all you want, but clean up and don't annoy other people. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #12

I quit 10 years ago and vowed I'd never go all nanny state on those who continue to smoke. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #14

Agreed. It's a "morals" thing for many people. Especially x-smokers. OregonBlue Jul 2013 #20

Ex-smokers are the worst offenders meow2u3 Jul 2013 #34

There's a lot of truth to that, which is why I promised myself when I quit to not be 'that guy.' Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #35

It's a matter of self defense. You have to turn against it with all your might to quit. L0oniX Jul 2013 #38

I'm talking about people I had known meow2u3 Jul 2013 #44

That's a huge AMEN right there, my friend! Bake Jul 2013 #75

And a "rationalization" thing for us smokers.... doing our best to justify the absurd. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #48

i don't think so, actually. i think most smokers would agree that it's an unhealthy and somewhat HiPointDem Jul 2013 #91

"Nanny state," is a way of belittiling those who complain while dodging the issue. Deep13 Jul 2013 #31

^^^The core element of any prohibition is stimatization Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #154

Well, let's see... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #17

Actually, they save the taxpayer money due to their early death joeglow3 Jul 2013 #26

I know there are studies that supposedly show that, SheilaT Jul 2013 #32

Most people incur a lot of medical costs at the end joeglow3 Jul 2013 #37

Smokers are helping nonsmokers cut costs ...uhm ok L0oniX Jul 2013 #43

How about all the ones who wind up SheilaT Jul 2013 #62

So should we also ban McDonalds on beaches, and other things that are unhealthy? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #80

actually, sometimes they do. here are my dead relatives. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #96

You rationalize. The facts contradict you, but you probably knew this. kwassa Jul 2013 #101

someone just gave you some facts; smokers die, on average, earlier. you rationalized them away. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #103

the problem is, we non-smokers have to pay for the bad choices of smokers kwassa Jul 2013 #178

you don't seem to have followed the conversation. no, actually, you don't. smokers are paying, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #182

oh, what horseshit. kwassa Jul 2013 #184

smokers pay EVERYTHING non-smokers pay, PLUS $33 BILLION a year in extra taxes, PLUS HiPointDem Jul 2013 #185

Let me reframe: You are against Medicare because dying saves taxpayer money. L0oniX Jul 2013 #42

I think one may be concerned with cost yet still hold human life to a higher priority LanternWaste Jul 2013 #49

Yeah, and back in the '60s... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #64

And you've just added more bullshit to the pile. Obese people cost less for the eridani Jul 2013 #121

If guns killed that many people every year ...uhm ...you know. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #46

Why do countries with a larger population of smokers (by ratio) have lower lung cancer rates? Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #89

Who doesn't like to go to the beach or park and see cigarette butts everywhere? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #19

Pipe smoking us OK, then? nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #155

Corn cob only. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #160

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #21

I smoked for thirty years... The Midway Rebel Jul 2013 #22

In all respectfulness, SheilaT Jul 2013 #33

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #176

Some of us are allergic enough that smokers limit where we can go starroute Jul 2013 #23

Actually cologne does blow around like cigarette smoke. I'm very allergic to a lot of it. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #25

Colognes were one reason I quit accompanying my mother to snappyturtle Jul 2013 #56

I have terrible grass allergies joeglow3 Jul 2013 #28

Maybe, in any case, the city can. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #30

I have few doubts you may even get one or two people to believe your allegation.... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #50

That dry cough you mention is probably a form of asthma, which often takes that form. pnwmom Jul 2013 #41

I have asthma and oddly enough cigarette smoke never triggers it. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #57

Yeah, everybody's different. I feel sorry for people who have trouble with perfumes. pnwmom Jul 2013 #70

Same here. Apophis Jul 2013 #104

There are no allergens in cigarette smoke. Eom TransitJohn Jul 2013 #186

You should consider wearing a mask. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #188

I work outdoors, surrounded by smokers and tobacco chewers. TwilightGardener Jul 2013 #24

Maybe it's to keep parks and especially beaches Warpy Jul 2013 #27

I don't want to breath tobacco smoke. I don't want butts on the beach. Deep13 Jul 2013 #29

Smoking bans have made many places roody Jul 2013 #36

Shortly after CA's smoke ban, I went to a pool hall when I was visiting there. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #40

Whether inside or outside, a lungful of smoky air can be a trigger of asthma symptoms. pnwmom Jul 2013 #45

This is what many have suspected about smoking bans like those mentioned, for a long time. beevul Jul 2013 #47

I don't have a problem with ecigs at all eridani Jul 2013 #122

I can totally understand that. beevul Jul 2013 #165

I hate that smokers throw their butts on the ground upaloopa Jul 2013 #51

solution: replace tobacco with reefer Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #53

The smoke Nazis just want to ban it completely. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #54

You can smoke all you want dbackjon Jul 2013 #60

I don't smoke. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #68

You obviously don't have Asthma dbackjon Jul 2013 #71

Nonsense. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #73

i'd have more sympathy if smoking weren't already illegal in almost every indoor venue. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #100

I wonder how many states Go Vols Jul 2013 #118

28 states ban smoking in all public places, including bars. 6 additional states ban it in public, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #119

Puritans are against pleasure eridani Jul 2013 #123

One man's pain is another's pleasure. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #124

smoking doesn't equate to enjoying trashy beaches. it doesn't equate to being a litterbug HiPointDem Jul 2013 #135

I will welcome you to smoke around me Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #61

I don't smoke. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #66

Ooooooooh, tough guy. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #67

You certainly aren't. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #69

So what is your stance on people who Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #150

I don't necessarily disagree with you. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #164

Concerning the outdoors Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #166

Under those circumstances I'd complain too. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #169

So Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #171

I might. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #174

pretty much. but they're cutting off their nose, because if that happens where will they HiPointDem Jul 2013 #99

To keep the dirty cigarette butts from being ubiquitous litter? 1monster Jul 2013 #55

As someone that is very sensitive to smoke dbackjon Jul 2013 #58

But a lot of smokers War Horse Jul 2013 #72

do you have the same trouble with campfires & weenie roasts? should those be banned too? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #97

I do - and I avoid those areas dbackjon Jul 2013 #162

Is it OK to smoke in your home with children present? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #156

Would I allow my kids in a smokers home? Nope. dbackjon Jul 2013 #163

And if others do not choose your course, should there be legal sanction? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #180

LIARS!The American Cancer Society and American Lung Assn have voiced support for such bans onenote Jul 2013 #74

If you can't drop your speedos and crap in the sand, you shouldn't smoke there. n/t Agnosticsherbet Jul 2013 #79

Ha ha. That is sad. I do NOT want smell that shit. Nor inhale it second hand. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #84

I'd think it was the cost of cleaning up butts on the ground that they would use. Even though brewens Jul 2013 #95

How about the "it's disgusting" reason matt819 Jul 2013 #98

Fuck smokers. They have no right to pollute the commons. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #105

unlike car drivers, air travelers, electricity consumers, plastic consumers, coal consumers, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #107

Tobacco serves absolutely no useful purpose. It is the only product kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #108

it has as much useful purpose as many drugs. and it's a myth that it causes illness a/o death HiPointDem Jul 2013 #110

Use of tobacco is proven to increase some forms of measurable intelligence. Eom TransitJohn Jul 2013 #187

Litter: RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #109

now do it by weight. then by area & volume. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #111

Seriously though, we should just ban plastic. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #112

i wouldn't mind. you could ban it for cigarette filters too, there are other alternatives. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #114

The soda ban in NYC is the silliest, imo. nt RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #115

it's really dumb. i suspect it puts extra money in the sodamakers' pockets, myself. if you want HiPointDem Jul 2013 #117

Ooh ooh.. I know.. Control of others... Pelican Jul 2013 #120

Poor, poor smokers... SidDithers Jul 2013 #130

ROFL man oh man, once again the points fly over your head The Straight Story Jul 2013 #132

... SidDithers Jul 2013 #140

I have worked with an inconsiderate smoker Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #131

you were working in an enclosed space? the op is about parks and beaches. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #136

Nope Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #139

i doubt it. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #142

Then it was still enough to be too much. nt Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #145

Smoking is bad for you. Quantess Jul 2013 #146

OMG...is this still being discussed? People sticking cancer sticks in their mouth... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #149

I'm still good with that. Fuck the smoking weirdos. n/t Ian David Jul 2013 #151

First they came for the smokers. Then they came for the public masturbators... Ian David Jul 2013 #152

yes, smoking = masturbating = shitting. you it-getter, you. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #159

Smoker here. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #161

and people such as myself won't. i also see people who just throw pop cans and plastic bags on the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #191

Add e-cigarette bans to the list KamaAina Jul 2013 #168

I'm eager to see Marijuana legalized. MicaelS Jul 2013 #170

Some smoking and personal choices (like abortions) are holy and sacred The Straight Story Jul 2013 #172

There are always people who want to control others. MicaelS Jul 2013 #175

plenty of marijuana smokers are vehemently anti-tobacco. i've seen them here at du, complaining HiPointDem Jul 2013 #192

I believe you. MicaelS Jul 2013 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #173

Ever step on a discarded, still-burning cigarette butt at the beach? djean111 Jul 2013 #179

The real motivation is this: its what the local constituents want. apnu Jul 2013 #189

OK - let's get this - WEED is illegal, but environmentally friendly. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #190

pot isn't anymore environmentally friendly than tobacco. it depends on how it's grown. so HiPointDem Jul 2013 #193