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Showing Original Post only (View all)LOL, Tell me again how SNOWDEN did not make any difference...... [View all]
From CNN: The president will also announce new measures to instill greater transparency in the government snooping programs that were revealed earlier this summer, which critics said amounted to massive federal overreach.
All of the sudden, Obama is willing to discuss government snooping programs! Wow, wonder why that is????
Obama: "It's not enough for me, as president, to have confidence in these programs. The American people have to have confidence as well,"
So tell me again how Snowden did not matter! Anyone saying that is an idiot!
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Yes he could have used other channels Mr. President, you could have assured him before hand
A Simple Game
Aug 2013
#75
Actually, the programs were in review and on track to being changed before Snowden leaked the info.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#4
That's not proof of anything. As the President said in his presser today:
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#44
Well, in the video he clearly made statements that are refuted by the available evidence.[n/t]
Maedhros
Aug 2013
#76
So if Wyden and Udall say they're satisfied with these latest actions, you'll be on board?
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#103
So you'll believe anything S&G say so long as you get to call the President a liar. Got it.
randome
Aug 2013
#67
You mean when he said he was for repealing the Patriot Act? Or closing Gitmo? Let's just say
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#131
I agree-Those programs would have been changed alright, but not in the way some people seem to think
RC
Aug 2013
#130
Yes, I support President Obama. And I put a lot of faith and trust in the man.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#47
He/she is a newbie, reporting for duty, Sir! Got to get in as many posts as possible.
Divernan
Aug 2013
#40
The cartoon version people have of the NSA and its programs is simply not true.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#39
I'm referring to a press conference of the President of the United States.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#108
Operation Mockingbird is probably no longer called Operation Mockingbird.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#104
Here ya go: THE PRESIDENT IS A LIAR. Got it? Listen to him. Read the transcript.
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#157
I'm not going to recap the press conference for you, but that was addressed. eom
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#22
Yes. Now they are going to use machines to do Snowden's job, and the tiny circle of
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#125
Harry Reid could have refused to bring the 2008 FISA amendments to the floor.
OnyxCollie
Aug 2013
#37
I'm not gonna pretend I voted for Obama and expected that all these programs would end
blm
Aug 2013
#167
Oh, he made a "difference". He fucked up a meeting w/ Chinese, Russia, various countries in Europe.
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#23
Who cares? That doesn't vindicate the way Snowden handled this or the way Greenwald misrepresented..
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#58
Well, Dickhead made Obama finally discuss this shit. At least someone did!!! n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#66
LOL, like he said they would rule "quickly" on CO and WA legal pot. Still crickets. n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#79
Yea, thats the sort of thing someone says when they've ran out of steam/losing an argument.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#85
Why introduce a field of strawmen to the argument with such an invalid question?
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#115
Sorry, I otherwise thought that he said that we don't have a domestic spying program.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#117
That was in the context of what he has said about this from the very beginning.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#119
So then, there should be no need to reform it. And why, exactly, is it somehow important
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#134
Actually there are several all over the world, but Barack and Michelle are 2 Obamas, yes.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#120
Well, based on what I can deduce, he may not have, but others have quickly filled in a few blanks
silvershadow
Aug 2013
#29
If by "he" you mean Obama, right. O. canceled a private meeting in Moscow w/ Putin.
Divernan
Aug 2013
#56
If you think that Obama would be discussing this in a news conference without Snowden, then yes. n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#55
Mr. Transparency hasn't had a WH news conference since last April - four months!
Divernan
Aug 2013
#69
Hopefully, everybody else on Martha's Vineyard knows that they're being spied upon.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#111
well perhaps emotional, irrational and not living in the world of reality would be a better term
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#70
Completely fucking up your life for some bureaucratic review that may have happened anyway
BeyondGeography
Aug 2013
#57
Hopefully, it will help reasonable people feel more comfortable at the end of the day
BeyondGeography
Aug 2013
#71
I believe many times we are being lied to. Just knowing when is the problem. n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#74
Why have a bureaucratic review for something we're told is not happening and has not been?
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#109
The problem is that five years from now the alphabet agencies will find loopholes ...
spin
Aug 2013
#64
It is amazing the ass kicking you have took on Snowden, and still will not admit that....
Logical
Aug 2013
#82
Snowden's plan was not to 'flee to Russia.' We made it impossible for him to leave.
flpoljunkie
Aug 2013
#101
Yes, because Obama JUST HAPPENED to decide to discuss security and privacy all of....
Logical
Aug 2013
#139
Occupy did not make a difference!!1! Oh, darn it, wrong memo. OK - Snowden did not
Zorra
Aug 2013
#112
That could work. Remind people how government is supposed to work and who is supposed to be working
RC
Aug 2013
#173
No, you are wrong. Without him no one would be discussing this. And you know it! n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#161
Snowden has made a huge difference. probably not hyperbole to say that he has awakened a sleeping
kath
Aug 2013
#174
Anyone with half a brain knows this press conference was scheduled TWO YEARS ago...
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2013
#181