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41. Here's video proof of a lie by Obama:

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 04:11 PM

Aug 2013

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/315871-obama-we-dont-have-a-domestic-spying-program

President Obama on Tuesday defended the National Security Agency’s (NSA) surveillance programs in a wide-ranging interview on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” arguing that the agency doesn’t target U.S. civilians.

“We don’t have a domestic spying program,” Obama said, according to the media pool report. “What we do have is some mechanisms that can track a phone number or an email address that is connected to a terrorist attack…That information is useful.”

We know those statements are not accurate. The collection of data is performed constantly, not just in response to a terrorist attack, and is collected from U.S. citizens, which makes it domestic.

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LOL, Tell me again how SNOWDEN did not make any difference...... [View all] Logical Aug 2013 OP

He says Snowden could have used other channels. Bwahahahahaha. Puhleeze. dkf Aug 2013 #1

Yes he could have used other channels Mr. President, you could have assured him before hand A Simple Game Aug 2013 #75

Sure, he could have used different channels... bobclark86 Aug 2013 #172

Interesting the speech is a Friday news dump leftstreet Aug 2013 #2

"Bully Pulpit", "Pretty Speech", "Bully Pulpit", "Pretty Speech" !! JoePhilly Aug 2013 #7

Monday prime time, if he wanted to reassure Americans leftstreet Aug 2013 #10

No one on DU maybe. Most regular people who follow ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #26

Most regular people don't follow politics leftstreet Aug 2013 #31

I did not say that most regular people follow politics. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #43

So he wants to reassure Group B Democrats leftstreet Aug 2013 #48

You really can't be that dense. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #52

Well, I'm just a regular person leftstreet Aug 2013 #59

His vacation begins tomorrow malaise Aug 2013 #34

Ah leftstreet Aug 2013 #36

Funny, isn't it? Recursion Aug 2013 #62

I thought the same thing...and it was an "Unscheduled Presser" KoKo Aug 2013 #99

True! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #144

So wait ... it IS about Snowden again? JoePhilly Aug 2013 #3

Not so much MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #94

I agree it is amusing ... one day it isn't about Snowden ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #95

To be fair, this isn't a two-sided situation. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #155

Actually, the programs were in review and on track to being changed before Snowden leaked the info. millennialmax Aug 2013 #4

LOL, yes, and you think this would of happened this quick? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #5

LOL !!! - Good One !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #6

Are you calling our President a liar? eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #9

A politician Lie?!!? Perish the thought. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #12

He's a politician, isnt he? DJ13 Aug 2013 #14

Nice dodge. millennialmax Aug 2013 #16

You'll learn DJ13 Aug 2013 #19

Hello again, Graham! Fuddnik Aug 2013 #84

+1 nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #96

Lol! exactly what I was thinking! neverforget Aug 2013 #136

LOL bobduca Aug 2013 #143

Here's video proof of a lie by Obama: Maedhros Aug 2013 #41

That's not proof of anything. As the President said in his presser today: millennialmax Aug 2013 #44

Well, in the video he clearly made statements that are refuted by the available evidence.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #76

There's a post up now on DU with Link about Wyden/Udall saying that KoKo Aug 2013 #102

So if Wyden and Udall say they're satisfied with these latest actions, you'll be on board? millennialmax Aug 2013 #103

Wyden and Udall have both been waving their arms for years, truebluegreen Aug 2013 #122

Wyden and Udall said "Obama DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH." KoKo Aug 2013 #127

Here you go pmorlan1 Aug 2013 #171

Yep...they are always working on things zeemike Aug 2013 #114

Interesting word choice pmorlan1 Aug 2013 #169

Considering he pulled a Bush on us Hydra Aug 2013 #60

So you'll believe anything S&G say so long as you get to call the President a liar. Got it. randome Aug 2013 #67

Hi there! Hydra Aug 2013 #77

I believed every word of their Concert in Central Park. Why? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #97

You mean when he said he was for repealing the Patriot Act? Or closing Gitmo? Let's just say rhett o rick Aug 2013 #131

I agree-Those programs would have been changed alright, but not in the way some people seem to think RC Aug 2013 #130

Absolutely WRONG. Th1onein Aug 2013 #11

Are you calling our President a liar? eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #13

What are you after, millennialmax? Th1onein Aug 2013 #30

I'm after discussion with rational Democrats. How about you? eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #32

So, are YOU a rational Democrat? Th1onein Aug 2013 #45

Yes, I support President Obama. And I put a lot of faith and trust in the man. millennialmax Aug 2013 #47

HONESTLY, it bothers you? Th1onein Aug 2013 #49

I wouldn't bother defending someone I didn't vote for. millennialmax Aug 2013 #50

Got any PROOF of that? Th1onein Aug 2013 #54

He/she is a newbie, reporting for duty, Sir! Got to get in as many posts as possible. Divernan Aug 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Aug 2013 #93

Oh, good catch Hydra Aug 2013 #63

For your information, sometimes all I need is coffee! Th1onein Aug 2013 #92

! Union Scribe Aug 2013 #88

lmao!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #159

The NSA did not have spy relations with those Americans! leftstreet Aug 2013 #33

Less than a week ago, on the Leno show Savannahmann Aug 2013 #35

The cartoon version people have of the NSA and its programs is simply not true. millennialmax Aug 2013 #39

Why should we believe anything you say...unless you claim to work for NSA KoKo Aug 2013 #106

I'm referring to a press conference of the President of the United States. millennialmax Aug 2013 #108

There are people who have cartoon versions of Obama caseymoz Aug 2013 #116

"There are people who have cartoon versions of Obama" millennialmax Aug 2013 #118

Look, I gave to the guy's campaigns caseymoz Aug 2013 #147

I've actually made that specific claim. reusrename Aug 2013 #132

Operation Mockingbird is probably no longer called Operation Mockingbird. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #104

Here ya go: THE PRESIDENT IS A LIAR. Got it? Listen to him. Read the transcript. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #157

The programs were not going to change. Rex Aug 2013 #21

I'm not going to recap the press conference for you, but that was addressed. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #22

Gullible much? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #24

I don't need your reply, thanks, it was a statement of fact. Rex Aug 2013 #25

So...Snowden's Revelations put a fire under them to Speed Up these Reviews? KoKo Aug 2013 #100

The Epitome Of Wishful Thinking IMHO cantbeserious Aug 2013 #123

Yes. Now they are going to use machines to do Snowden's job, and the tiny circle of JDPriestly Aug 2013 #125

"Wow, wonder why that is????" tridim Aug 2013 #8

See torture. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #28

Yeah. Of course there were some posters here right pissed about that too.... Pholus Aug 2013 #162

Most of us said it wasn't NEW. It's the corporate media's focus that is suspect blm Aug 2013 #15

Harry Reid could have refused to bring the 2008 FISA amendments to the floor. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #37

+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #42

I'm not gonna pretend I voted for Obama and expected that all these programs would end blm Aug 2013 #167

"The Program" has been EXPANDED since then as Tech Sophistication KoKo Aug 2013 #110

You really think Bush ended TIA? No way. Total means TOTAL. blm Aug 2013 #164

Hey! Lighten up. I'm sure Obama meant to do that all along. 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #17

LOL! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #20

He made a difference. Rex Aug 2013 #18

Oh, he made a "difference". He fucked up a meeting w/ Chinese, Russia, various countries in Europe. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #23

And all of the sudden, Obama wants to be more open? LOL! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #27

Yea, so people like you will stop bitching and move on. phleshdef Aug 2013 #51

So IT DID make a difference. Quicker at least! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #53

Who cares? That doesn't vindicate the way Snowden handled this or the way Greenwald misrepresented.. phleshdef Aug 2013 #58

Well, Dickhead made Obama finally discuss this shit. At least someone did!!! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #66

Obama was proposing reforms before you ever knew the name Ed Snowden. phleshdef Aug 2013 #78

LOL, like he said they would rule "quickly" on CO and WA legal pot. Still crickets. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #79

It hasn't even been a year since those measures passed. phleshdef Aug 2013 #81

Keep trying. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #83

Yea, thats the sort of thing someone says when they've ran out of steam/losing an argument. phleshdef Aug 2013 #85

So define "quickly" for me! LOL. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #86

Sure, no problem. phleshdef Aug 2013 #89

Why propose to reform something that is not being done? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #107

Why introduce a field of strawmen to the argument with such an invalid question? phleshdef Aug 2013 #115

Sorry, I otherwise thought that he said that we don't have a domestic spying program. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #117

That was in the context of what he has said about this from the very beginning. phleshdef Aug 2013 #119

So then, there should be no need to reform it. And why, exactly, is it somehow important AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #134

I believe it should be reformed. phleshdef Aug 2013 #141

There must be two Obamas. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #105

Actually there are several all over the world, but Barack and Michelle are 2 Obamas, yes. phleshdef Aug 2013 #120

Well, based on what I can deduce, he may not have, but others have quickly filled in a few blanks silvershadow Aug 2013 #29

If by "he" you mean Obama, right. O. canceled a private meeting in Moscow w/ Putin. Divernan Aug 2013 #56

LOL n/t lamp_shade Aug 2013 #38

I'm an idiot olddots Aug 2013 #46

If you think that Obama would be discussing this in a news conference without Snowden, then yes. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #55

Mr. Transparency hasn't had a WH news conference since last April - four months! Divernan Aug 2013 #69

Hopefully, everybody else on Martha's Vineyard knows that they're being spied upon. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #111

well perhaps emotional, irrational and not living in the world of reality would be a better term Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #70

I agree, "idiot" was maybe too strong. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #72

Completely fucking up your life for some bureaucratic review that may have happened anyway BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #57

Not sure. But no doubt the discussion is quicker and much different. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #61

Hopefully, it will help reasonable people feel more comfortable at the end of the day BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #71

I believe many times we are being lied to. Just knowing when is the problem. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #74

Why have a bureaucratic review for something we're told is not happening and has not been? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #109

The problem is that five years from now the alphabet agencies will find loopholes ... spin Aug 2013 #64

So true. Sometimes I think they won already. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #68

I don't wear a tin foil hat but sometimes I will admit sometimes I wonder ... spin Aug 2013 #87

Nobody runs "our nation." ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #156

They are sputtering to make sense of it all, aren't they? LittleBlue Aug 2013 #65

Snowden entertains me Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #73

He's in Russia being used to hype their human rights record. ProSense Aug 2013 #80

It is amazing the ass kicking you have took on Snowden, and still will not admit that.... Logical Aug 2013 #82

Snowden ProSense Aug 2013 #90

Snowden's plan was not to 'flee to Russia.' We made it impossible for him to leave. flpoljunkie Aug 2013 #101

Its not impossible. He can leave there and come here anytime he wants. phleshdef Aug 2013 #121

We've all seen how Bradley Manning was treated under Obama's watch. flpoljunkie Aug 2013 #133

The military comes down pretty damn hard on people who commit crimes.... phleshdef Aug 2013 #142

What about the oath Pres Obama took to uphold the Constitution? flpoljunkie Aug 2013 #185

One puppet punches out, and another punches in for the night shift. Android3.14 Aug 2013 #158

Ummm...maybe you hadn't noticed but WE TORTURE PRISONERS NOW. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #160

You mean like this? And, his followers twisting themselves into pretzels Cha Aug 2013 #137

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #91

Snowden didn't make a difference baronjake Aug 2013 #98

How exciting to have fresh perspectives. Welcome to DU! cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #126

Yes, because Obama JUST HAPPENED to decide to discuss security and privacy all of.... Logical Aug 2013 #139

Occupy did not make a difference!!1! Oh, darn it, wrong memo. OK - Snowden did not Zorra Aug 2013 #112

LOL !!! - Perfect !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #113

Yep...n/t KoKo Aug 2013 #124

LOL leftstreet Aug 2013 #146

Snowden is a genuine American hero. another_liberal Aug 2013 #128

Maybe we can have a Edward Snowden holiday. RC Aug 2013 #135

I'm always in favor of another day off for ordinary Americans. another_liberal Aug 2013 #148

A federal, paid holiday RC Aug 2013 #150

It doesn't have to be in honor of Snowden exclusively. another_liberal Aug 2013 #170

That could work. Remind people how government is supposed to work and who is supposed to be working RC Aug 2013 #173

The difference between a hypothetical scenerio and Reality . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #129

snowden is sort of like arely staircase Aug 2013 #138

Yeah like those new NSA panopticons... Pholus Aug 2013 #163

Yeah. That one's kind of out the window now. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #140

NYT editorial: Snowden's "fears do not qualify him for asylum" ProSense Aug 2013 #145

Thanks for the bump! LOL Logical Aug 2013 #149

So the consensus is that all of this should stop think_critically Aug 2013 #151

FYI people, it's " all of A sudden" , not "all of the sudden" kath Aug 2013 #152

DU word police! Great! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #153

The only difference he may have made......was not a positive one. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #154

No, you are wrong. Without him no one would be discussing this. And you know it! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #161

Or so you've been led to believe, anyhow. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #182

"somebody would have leaked it eventually"..... Logical Aug 2013 #183

Lots of difference. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #184

The dishes aren't done Aerows Aug 2013 #166

He did Aerows Aug 2013 #165

Well, since changes started far before Eddie fled Progressive dog Aug 2013 #168

Really? So Snowdon then make this discussion any different? Nice try! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #175

No he didn't, he just empowered the government Progressive dog Aug 2013 #176

Lol, yes, no one can analyze the NSA impact like you! So.... Logical Aug 2013 #177

Well thank you, I thought you preffered Progressive dog Aug 2013 #179

Snowden has made a huge difference. probably not hyperbole to say that he has awakened a sleeping kath Aug 2013 #174

Thank you!! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #178

Snowden has been a success Turbineguy Aug 2013 #180

Anyone with half a brain knows this press conference was scheduled TWO YEARS ago... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #181

True, it was a secret though! nt Logical Aug 2013 #186