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In reply to the discussion: LOL, Tell me again how SNOWDEN did not make any difference...... [View all]Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)84. Hello again, Graham!
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Yes he could have used other channels Mr. President, you could have assured him before hand
A Simple Game
Aug 2013
#75
Actually, the programs were in review and on track to being changed before Snowden leaked the info.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#4
That's not proof of anything. As the President said in his presser today:
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#44
Well, in the video he clearly made statements that are refuted by the available evidence.[n/t]
Maedhros
Aug 2013
#76
So if Wyden and Udall say they're satisfied with these latest actions, you'll be on board?
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#103
So you'll believe anything S&G say so long as you get to call the President a liar. Got it.
randome
Aug 2013
#67
You mean when he said he was for repealing the Patriot Act? Or closing Gitmo? Let's just say
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#131
I agree-Those programs would have been changed alright, but not in the way some people seem to think
RC
Aug 2013
#130
Yes, I support President Obama. And I put a lot of faith and trust in the man.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#47
He/she is a newbie, reporting for duty, Sir! Got to get in as many posts as possible.
Divernan
Aug 2013
#40
The cartoon version people have of the NSA and its programs is simply not true.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#39
I'm referring to a press conference of the President of the United States.
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#108
Operation Mockingbird is probably no longer called Operation Mockingbird.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#104
Here ya go: THE PRESIDENT IS A LIAR. Got it? Listen to him. Read the transcript.
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#157
I'm not going to recap the press conference for you, but that was addressed. eom
millennialmax
Aug 2013
#22
Yes. Now they are going to use machines to do Snowden's job, and the tiny circle of
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#125
Harry Reid could have refused to bring the 2008 FISA amendments to the floor.
OnyxCollie
Aug 2013
#37
I'm not gonna pretend I voted for Obama and expected that all these programs would end
blm
Aug 2013
#167
Oh, he made a "difference". He fucked up a meeting w/ Chinese, Russia, various countries in Europe.
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#23
Who cares? That doesn't vindicate the way Snowden handled this or the way Greenwald misrepresented..
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#58
Well, Dickhead made Obama finally discuss this shit. At least someone did!!! n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#66
LOL, like he said they would rule "quickly" on CO and WA legal pot. Still crickets. n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#79
Yea, thats the sort of thing someone says when they've ran out of steam/losing an argument.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#85
Why introduce a field of strawmen to the argument with such an invalid question?
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#115
Sorry, I otherwise thought that he said that we don't have a domestic spying program.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#117
That was in the context of what he has said about this from the very beginning.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#119
So then, there should be no need to reform it. And why, exactly, is it somehow important
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#134
Actually there are several all over the world, but Barack and Michelle are 2 Obamas, yes.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#120
Well, based on what I can deduce, he may not have, but others have quickly filled in a few blanks
silvershadow
Aug 2013
#29
If by "he" you mean Obama, right. O. canceled a private meeting in Moscow w/ Putin.
Divernan
Aug 2013
#56
If you think that Obama would be discussing this in a news conference without Snowden, then yes. n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#55
Mr. Transparency hasn't had a WH news conference since last April - four months!
Divernan
Aug 2013
#69
Hopefully, everybody else on Martha's Vineyard knows that they're being spied upon.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#111
well perhaps emotional, irrational and not living in the world of reality would be a better term
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#70
Completely fucking up your life for some bureaucratic review that may have happened anyway
BeyondGeography
Aug 2013
#57
Hopefully, it will help reasonable people feel more comfortable at the end of the day
BeyondGeography
Aug 2013
#71
I believe many times we are being lied to. Just knowing when is the problem. n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#74
Why have a bureaucratic review for something we're told is not happening and has not been?
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#109
The problem is that five years from now the alphabet agencies will find loopholes ...
spin
Aug 2013
#64
It is amazing the ass kicking you have took on Snowden, and still will not admit that....
Logical
Aug 2013
#82
Snowden's plan was not to 'flee to Russia.' We made it impossible for him to leave.
flpoljunkie
Aug 2013
#101
Yes, because Obama JUST HAPPENED to decide to discuss security and privacy all of....
Logical
Aug 2013
#139
Occupy did not make a difference!!1! Oh, darn it, wrong memo. OK - Snowden did not
Zorra
Aug 2013
#112
That could work. Remind people how government is supposed to work and who is supposed to be working
RC
Aug 2013
#173
No, you are wrong. Without him no one would be discussing this. And you know it! n-t
Logical
Aug 2013
#161
Snowden has made a huge difference. probably not hyperbole to say that he has awakened a sleeping
kath
Aug 2013
#174
Anyone with half a brain knows this press conference was scheduled TWO YEARS ago...
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2013
#181