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one_voice

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30. It didn't belong to him.

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 11:53 AM

Aug 2013

it's stealing.

When you take something that doesn't belong to you it's stealing. The question is not who it belonged to but whether it belonged to him--it did not.

I already knew that there was spying going on--if you didn't you weren't paying attention. I don't know how many times or ways I have to say this, I do not agree or approve of the spying. For some reason people that excuse the theft want to confuse the two issues.

I'm perfectly capable of not approving of the spying as well as not approving of what Snowden did.

You being ok with stealing, doesn't make it ok or make it any less of a crime. YOU don't get to change the definition of stealing just because YOU agree with the reason/cause.

steal
/stēl/
Verb
Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it

thief
/THēf/
Noun
A person who steals another person's property, esp. by stealth and without using force or violence.

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For those who think Snowden and/or Greenwald have engaged in terrorism, [View all] morningfog Aug 2013 OP

Thank you!!!!!! newfie11 Aug 2013 #1

what the fuck indeed. cali Aug 2013 #2

Really scary that people can say that and still conceive of themselves as being liberal. nt Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #3

They are autoritarian fascist. 99Forever Aug 2013 #4

They are signing on with Dick Cheney's vision of the future n2doc Aug 2013 #5

Darth Vader America With Authoritarian Groupies cantbeserious Aug 2013 #6

I don't think they are terrorists. Skidmore Aug 2013 #7

all civil disobedience IS breaking the law that is the point of it. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #9

Bingo Little Star Aug 2013 #11

Okay, now what about those who broke the law that these Whistle Blowers broke the law to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22

Who is not criticizing Bush and Cheney here? Skidmore Aug 2013 #27

Agree except for the acting like a baby part RitchieRich Aug 2013 #8

I hate Libertarians more than Republicans. stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #10

"Sold" requires payment,. please link to the prof of payment, thanks. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #12

Okay, he "BARTERED" the information, he was questionably granted asylum, right? George II Aug 2013 #14

There is no evidence he gave anything to Russia, morningfog Aug 2013 #17

The US is responsible for him being in Russia. At least get the facts straight if you sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #23

Yeah, they tied him up, put him on a plane and shipped him off to Russia, with a side trip to HK! George II Aug 2013 #36

Still wrong on the facts. He was in transit to another country when the US Government sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #38

I'm wrong? He went to Russia on his own accord. Let me rephrase......... George II Aug 2013 #41

Yes, you are wrong. The US Govt forced Snowden to remain in Russia. How hard is that to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #42

He can leave Russia tomorrow - it's in his hands..... George II Aug 2013 #43

Perhaps you should take a look at what Daniel Ellsberg says about Snowden being abroad... Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #69

No, that's the one - the one who didn't flee the country and was willing to face prosecution. George II Aug 2013 #72

No he can't ...... oldhippie Aug 2013 #73

I'm sure that if he asks the US government for documents to return to the US they would be issued... George II Aug 2013 #75

Even if what you say is true, does that make him a terrorist? morningfog Aug 2013 #16

I don't think what they did was terrorism... one_voice Aug 2013 #13

I understand disagreeing with what Snowden did. morningfog Aug 2013 #18

All whistleblowers "steal" LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #21

There are two different ways to "blow the whistle" - the brave way and the cowardly way... George II Aug 2013 #44

That's nice LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #48

I never mentioned, nor am I in a position to define "terrorist" in this context..... George II Aug 2013 #58

Thank you for your valuable insight LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #59

Glad I could be of help. George II Aug 2013 #60

Every Whistle Blower 'steals'. But what do you think of the crimes Manning and Snowden sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #24

I can't help but laugh.. one_voice Aug 2013 #26

Steal should be in quotes. JoeyT Aug 2013 #28

It didn't belong to him. one_voice Aug 2013 #30

I don't need to change the definition of stealing. JoeyT Aug 2013 #31

What about the people that... one_voice Aug 2013 #34

So I misunderstood you and you consider Bush War Crimes to be way more important sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #40

Please go back and re-read my response. one_voice Aug 2013 #47

And if YOU witnessed War Crimes, bvar22 Aug 2013 #61

What war crimes did Snowden or Greenwald... one_voice Aug 2013 #64

Wow, your posts are very venomous, read like defenses of Bushco's worst actions followed by Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #70

No it wasn't. one_voice Aug 2013 #71

Franco-Americans. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #15

Well, they are succeeding. RC Aug 2013 #19

The Two Minutes Hate is far more attractive than critical thought. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #20

Ralph Nader welcomes the break! leftstreet Aug 2013 #29

! KG Aug 2013 #32

If only it lasted for just two minutes! winter is coming Aug 2013 #57

The OP is correct. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #62

I agree with the OP. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #63

If you look around at other Liberal/Progressive sites on the internet.. truth2power Aug 2013 #25

That's true, but the same comments can be found on Daily Kos eg, but they have sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #49

Third Way. Yeppers! n/t truth2power Aug 2013 #56

No one has said that treestar Aug 2013 #33

Funny you say that Hydra Aug 2013 #50

that's a stretch treestar Aug 2013 #76

I agree it's a stretch(on the part of the people doing it) Hydra Aug 2013 #77

The most troubling thing is this almost deification of the law. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #35

There is a word for what they are doing, and it isn't "terrorism." pnwmom Aug 2013 #37

I have no problem with that. morningfog Aug 2013 #46

They are not terrorists Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #39

I agree. Glad we found some common ground morningfog Aug 2013 #45

The people who think such things are neither Democrats (in any meaningful sense) villager Aug 2013 #51

Nice strawman outrage BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #52

There have been at least 3 threads morningfog Aug 2013 #55

So do you believe that Snowden is a terrorist? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #65

No more than Obama is head of the Stasi in his spare time BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #66

Cant give a straight answer? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #67

Obviously, you wouldn't recognize one if it sat on your head BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #68

If I didnt know better I would think you are trying to start a fight. Well, go fight with rhett o rick Aug 2013 #74

They're too busy polishing the Obama Admin apple. Bake Aug 2013 #53

K&R. It's only "terrorism" when it's agains the Obama police state. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #54