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In reply to the discussion: For those who think Snowden and/or Greenwald have engaged in terrorism, [View all]one_voice
(20,043 posts)64. What war crimes did Snowden or Greenwald...
witness? My comment had to do with Snowden and Greenwald.
So I will ask you, what the hell does war crimes have to do with what I said?
I don't think what they did was terrorism...
BUT I do think what Snowden did was wrong. And I'm not going to apologize for that.
He stole. Plain and simple. If you want to overlook that because you think he did for a good reason that's on you. I don't have to do that or agree with that.
But don't call me twisted, fascist or any of the other fucking pet names that are being used because I think what he did was wrong.
When you take something that doesn't belong to you it's stealing. And since we don't know what's been taken we don't know if something that could put us at risk is out there. We also don't know if he's walking around with citizens private information, but apparently that's ok.
You (the collective you) don't want to hear you're being spied on for your own good as a reason for that wrong doing. So don't tell me he stole for my own good.
AND NO I do NOT approve of spying on American citizens.
Do not confuse not approving of what Snowden did or the way Greenwald is handling things with approving of the NSA/spying.
Now we'll see how fast someone does exactly that ^^^ or says 'so you think it's ok Mr. Miranda was detained" even though I didn't say one word about that.
I also don't approve of ANON hacking and putting all that personal info out like they did the other day after the incident. That's just wrong. Those people have families. A over zealot person could hurt someone. When you play with fire someone eventually gets burned.
BUT I do think what Snowden did was wrong. And I'm not going to apologize for that.
He stole. Plain and simple. If you want to overlook that because you think he did for a good reason that's on you. I don't have to do that or agree with that.
But don't call me twisted, fascist or any of the other fucking pet names that are being used because I think what he did was wrong.
When you take something that doesn't belong to you it's stealing. And since we don't know what's been taken we don't know if something that could put us at risk is out there. We also don't know if he's walking around with citizens private information, but apparently that's ok.
You (the collective you) don't want to hear you're being spied on for your own good as a reason for that wrong doing. So don't tell me he stole for my own good.
AND NO I do NOT approve of spying on American citizens.
Do not confuse not approving of what Snowden did or the way Greenwald is handling things with approving of the NSA/spying.
Now we'll see how fast someone does exactly that ^^^ or says 'so you think it's ok Mr. Miranda was detained" even though I didn't say one word about that.
I also don't approve of ANON hacking and putting all that personal info out like they did the other day after the incident. That's just wrong. Those people have families. A over zealot person could hurt someone. When you play with fire someone eventually gets burned.
I'll tell what war crimes has to do with what I said...NOT A DAMN THING.
And to answer you BULLSHIT question that had nothing to do with what I said. I'd tell the fucking world.
This is a common tactic of your clique. You're a dishonest bunch.
Now go away. I think there's a cup of tea waiting for you.
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For those who think Snowden and/or Greenwald have engaged in terrorism, [View all]
morningfog
Aug 2013
OP
Really scary that people can say that and still conceive of themselves as being liberal. nt
Democracyinkind
Aug 2013
#3
Okay, now what about those who broke the law that these Whistle Blowers broke the law to
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#22
Okay, he "BARTERED" the information, he was questionably granted asylum, right?
George II
Aug 2013
#14
The US is responsible for him being in Russia. At least get the facts straight if you
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#23
Yeah, they tied him up, put him on a plane and shipped him off to Russia, with a side trip to HK!
George II
Aug 2013
#36
Still wrong on the facts. He was in transit to another country when the US Government
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#38
Yes, you are wrong. The US Govt forced Snowden to remain in Russia. How hard is that to
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#42
Perhaps you should take a look at what Daniel Ellsberg says about Snowden being abroad...
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#69
No, that's the one - the one who didn't flee the country and was willing to face prosecution.
George II
Aug 2013
#72
I'm sure that if he asks the US government for documents to return to the US they would be issued...
George II
Aug 2013
#75
There are two different ways to "blow the whistle" - the brave way and the cowardly way...
George II
Aug 2013
#44
I never mentioned, nor am I in a position to define "terrorist" in this context.....
George II
Aug 2013
#58
Every Whistle Blower 'steals'. But what do you think of the crimes Manning and Snowden
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#24
So I misunderstood you and you consider Bush War Crimes to be way more important
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#40
Wow, your posts are very venomous, read like defenses of Bushco's worst actions followed by
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#70
The Two Minutes Hate is far more attractive than critical thought. n/t
Fire Walk With Me
Aug 2013
#20
That's true, but the same comments can be found on Daily Kos eg, but they have
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#49
The people who think such things are neither Democrats (in any meaningful sense)
villager
Aug 2013
#51
If I didnt know better I would think you are trying to start a fight. Well, go fight with
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#74