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2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
3. Thank you for
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:52 PM
Oct 2013

this eloquent and well structured presentation!

I do think that a charge of malfeasance is appropriate but I can't help but think there are additional legal terms that would help frame the argument.

Last night I heard a Congressional entity call them "insurrectionists" and I thought that was an interesting term. So I looked up the Insurrection Act and found that it could, in part, be applicable but entails the use of the military on US soil during a natural disaster, public unrest or something similar by decree of the President. After some consideration I thought that would also be problematic.

I looked up the parameters within which the president could declare a national emergency and found that we are already in a declared national emergency that has been carried over since the previous administration. In the pile of text which I read about that it appears that such a declaration (they must be specific in identification of the national threat so there can be several simultaneous declarations in effect at one time) could be implemented by the President should the Tea Party faction also hold the debt ceiling issue hostage as well since they would be bringing intentional harm to the well being of the nation... in this case it would be economically, which is a valid condition for such a declaration.

A national emergency is an interesting condition to impose (many were really unhappy when GWB attempted to impose one after 9/11 but did not actually declare it in his language at the time, he eluded to one but never formally declared one and we all sort of pretended that he had) but probably the least difficult condition to implement.

Given that the TPs have in fact declared on recorded media that they had intended to shut down the government since before the 2010 election and to present time, they are guilty of collusion with intent to do harm to the economic well being of the nation as well as committing malfeasance by intending to do so while taking an oath of office whereby they swore to protect the Constitution of the government they have intended to destroy all along.

These are serious charges and I, for one, am tired of these individuals holding office and being funded not only the taxpayers whom the intend to harm but also benefactors who have purchased their seats in office for the specific purpose of harming the nation, its people and their government via insurrectionist maneuvers and doing so with impunity. This must end and immediately.

We the People are entitled to immediate recourse through legal means in order to preserve our government, our economic well being and the well being of this nation as a whole. These individuals should be removed from office and banished from holding office in any capacity for life.

I invite any legal professionals and academics to help us figure out which is the proper procedure for citizens to take action against the domestic enemies within our government. As Sam has mentioned above, waiting for recourse at the ballot station may be too late.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/10/letter-continuation-national-emergency-message

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis landolfi Oct 2013 #1
Thank you for your response Samantha Oct 2013 #2
Thank you for commenting 2naSalit Oct 2013 #5
Thank you for 2naSalit Oct 2013 #3
Totally fascinating Samantha Oct 2013 #7
I agree that "malice" 2naSalit Oct 2013 #10
And for actual evidence... 2naSalit Oct 2013 #4
You can't criminalize legislators' actions in proposing or voting on a bill pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #6
And here is the definition which I quoted in my original thread Samantha Oct 2013 #9
I think the comments were made by 2naSalit Oct 2013 #12
I thought the individual I heard speak was referencing the NSA Samantha Oct 2013 #18
The only thing I could find 2naSalit Oct 2013 #24
I liked the words "betraying America" because that is exactly what they are doing Samantha Oct 2013 #25
I have no doubt that you are sincere pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #15
What we are 2naSalit Oct 2013 #17
Exactly (n/t) Samantha Oct 2013 #23
Of course you grant this same right for those that disagree with Dem policies, right? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #40
Of course she would! Samantha Oct 2013 #54
"I believe she is currently tied up in the woods" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #55
So in your opinion we citizens should sit quietly in the bleachers and say nothing but hope Samantha Oct 2013 #20
Of course we don't sit quietly, we aggressively OPPOSE them pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #22
While it is arguable that what the Repubs are doing is "equivalent" to treason, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #8
I am not suggesting they could be arrested for the way they vote on a bill Samantha Oct 2013 #11
and that is 2naSalit Oct 2013 #13
Well, wait a minute Samantha Oct 2013 #21
Even if it is "collusion" its simply not illegal. onenote Oct 2013 #49
This is a very thoughtful post Samantha Oct 2013 #53
Another factor in this 2naSalit Oct 2013 #14
I looked back and found the reference to that article Samantha Oct 2013 #16
An important point at another thread 2naSalit Oct 2013 #19
I see this as the beginning of the second chapter of the civil war Tumbulu Oct 2013 #26
I would appear taht they 2naSalit Oct 2013 #28
Like you, I fear that this is far more serious than Tumbulu Oct 2013 #30
It very well could be Samantha Oct 2013 #29
Thank you for starting it- it is full of thought provoking Tumbulu Oct 2013 #31
Thank you for posting on our thread Samantha Oct 2013 #34
Yeah, and when we were fighting WW2 the Japanese printed all sorts of unflattering Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #41
Excellent post! Tumbulu Oct 2013 #27
Excellent thread, will return to this and the link post tomorrow. freshwest Oct 2013 #32
K&R thanks Sam! Cha Oct 2013 #33
Doesn't the PATRIOT Act say something G_j Oct 2013 #35
Hmmm 2naSalit Oct 2013 #36
there is also the issue of national security, G_j Oct 2013 #37
That's also a good point 2naSalit Oct 2013 #38
thanks for your efforts! nt G_j Oct 2013 #39
Oops, responded above before I saw this Samantha Oct 2013 #44
I thought it was an excellent question and planned to see what I could find as well Samantha Oct 2013 #43
So in the PATRIOT Act, as per Wiki... 2naSalit Oct 2013 #42
Kudos to 2naSalit Oct 2013 #45
Yes, very good Tumbulu Oct 2013 #46
That requires 2naSalit Oct 2013 #48
Thanks to another diligent 2naSalit Oct 2013 #47
Are you being serious? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #50
Welcome to Ignore (n/t) Samantha Oct 2013 #51
Wow! Just Wow! oldhippie Oct 2013 #52
Another thread that has some good info 2naSalit Oct 2013 #56
Treason Party Graphic ... napkinz Oct 2013 #57
Thank you so much for posting this - it is so appropriate Samantha Oct 2013 #59
Well thought out post! K&R B Calm Oct 2013 #58
Thank you - I am really glad you liked it Samantha Oct 2013 #60
This borders on legal quackery. dairydog91 Oct 2013 #61
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