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DragonBorn

(175 posts)
50. Are you being serious?
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 03:42 PM
Oct 2013

You clearly spent a lot of time researching and writing this but do you seriously want to criminalize political action by an opposing political party and political group? You know what type of people would support that? Fascists and authoritarians. Vote with me or be imprisoned.

Their actions while disagreeable do not rise to illegal conduct. It does not give aid or comfort to our enemy, you are deliberately stretching that definition until it is unrecognizable. I'm not going to even both addressing why this is such a mess instead lets play devils advocate.

::dons hat with horns::

Gun Control, is that treasonous action against the U.S. Constitution?

Well the 2nd says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Oh I'm sure some Republicans would love to declare the Brady Group a terrorist organization, and all democratic legislators who voted for gun control measure to be tried for treason. Do you see the door you open when you try to criminalize valid political action? It would become a mess and if you think our country is already fractured just see what happens if crap like this ever comes to pass. It really will be us vs them. A country divided cannot stand.

What about the counter argument that by raising the debt ceiling while simultaneously refusing to cut government spending is leading us into a black hole of debt that we will be unable to recover from. That republicans are trying save the country from an even worse collapse! This actually bothers me the most because I belive the first part. If we dont cut our spending (Which no one seems to want to do) it will cause the destruction of our country.

::removes hat::

What to know what my responce would be to this situation? VOTE THEM ALL OUT! If we cannot muster enough of our own to just go to the voting booth once every couple of years then its our own damn fault. We should not be criminalizing another parties political action because we disagree with them or couldn't win at the voting booth.

I mean hell, Bush lied us into a war and him and his entire cabinet are free and clear. How about we prosecute some actual criminal actions that have taken place at the highest office in our country rather then start making some up.

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis landolfi Oct 2013 #1
Thank you for your response Samantha Oct 2013 #2
Thank you for commenting 2naSalit Oct 2013 #5
Thank you for 2naSalit Oct 2013 #3
Totally fascinating Samantha Oct 2013 #7
I agree that "malice" 2naSalit Oct 2013 #10
And for actual evidence... 2naSalit Oct 2013 #4
You can't criminalize legislators' actions in proposing or voting on a bill pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #6
And here is the definition which I quoted in my original thread Samantha Oct 2013 #9
I think the comments were made by 2naSalit Oct 2013 #12
I thought the individual I heard speak was referencing the NSA Samantha Oct 2013 #18
The only thing I could find 2naSalit Oct 2013 #24
I liked the words "betraying America" because that is exactly what they are doing Samantha Oct 2013 #25
I have no doubt that you are sincere pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #15
What we are 2naSalit Oct 2013 #17
Exactly (n/t) Samantha Oct 2013 #23
Of course you grant this same right for those that disagree with Dem policies, right? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #40
Of course she would! Samantha Oct 2013 #54
"I believe she is currently tied up in the woods" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #55
So in your opinion we citizens should sit quietly in the bleachers and say nothing but hope Samantha Oct 2013 #20
Of course we don't sit quietly, we aggressively OPPOSE them pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #22
While it is arguable that what the Repubs are doing is "equivalent" to treason, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #8
I am not suggesting they could be arrested for the way they vote on a bill Samantha Oct 2013 #11
and that is 2naSalit Oct 2013 #13
Well, wait a minute Samantha Oct 2013 #21
Even if it is "collusion" its simply not illegal. onenote Oct 2013 #49
This is a very thoughtful post Samantha Oct 2013 #53
Another factor in this 2naSalit Oct 2013 #14
I looked back and found the reference to that article Samantha Oct 2013 #16
An important point at another thread 2naSalit Oct 2013 #19
I see this as the beginning of the second chapter of the civil war Tumbulu Oct 2013 #26
I would appear taht they 2naSalit Oct 2013 #28
Like you, I fear that this is far more serious than Tumbulu Oct 2013 #30
It very well could be Samantha Oct 2013 #29
Thank you for starting it- it is full of thought provoking Tumbulu Oct 2013 #31
Thank you for posting on our thread Samantha Oct 2013 #34
Yeah, and when we were fighting WW2 the Japanese printed all sorts of unflattering Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #41
Excellent post! Tumbulu Oct 2013 #27
Excellent thread, will return to this and the link post tomorrow. freshwest Oct 2013 #32
K&R thanks Sam! Cha Oct 2013 #33
Doesn't the PATRIOT Act say something G_j Oct 2013 #35
Hmmm 2naSalit Oct 2013 #36
there is also the issue of national security, G_j Oct 2013 #37
That's also a good point 2naSalit Oct 2013 #38
thanks for your efforts! nt G_j Oct 2013 #39
Oops, responded above before I saw this Samantha Oct 2013 #44
I thought it was an excellent question and planned to see what I could find as well Samantha Oct 2013 #43
So in the PATRIOT Act, as per Wiki... 2naSalit Oct 2013 #42
Kudos to 2naSalit Oct 2013 #45
Yes, very good Tumbulu Oct 2013 #46
That requires 2naSalit Oct 2013 #48
Thanks to another diligent 2naSalit Oct 2013 #47
Are you being serious? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #50
Welcome to Ignore (n/t) Samantha Oct 2013 #51
Wow! Just Wow! oldhippie Oct 2013 #52
Another thread that has some good info 2naSalit Oct 2013 #56
Treason Party Graphic ... napkinz Oct 2013 #57
Thank you so much for posting this - it is so appropriate Samantha Oct 2013 #59
Well thought out post! K&R B Calm Oct 2013 #58
Thank you - I am really glad you liked it Samantha Oct 2013 #60
This borders on legal quackery. dairydog91 Oct 2013 #61
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