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Did Bill Cliinton really 'win the election' for Obama in 2012 [View all] Whisp Nov 2013 OP

Obama won when he defeated Hillary leftstreet Nov 2013 #1

The OP is about 2012--not 2008 Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #3

Oh that's right! leftstreet Nov 2013 #5

No. That is ludicrous. Obama could easily have lost after 2nd debate if Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #2

The reason it was 'underwhelming' has been explained many times. Whisp Nov 2013 #7

Well, I watched it without commentary and thought Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #15

People listen to those "yappers." Clinton helped revitalize Obama's campaign when he was struggling MADem Nov 2013 #40

Well, Romney was an exceptionally bland and uninspiring opponent. DetlefK Nov 2013 #4

Do all Presidents get so 'lucky', or is it just that particular President? Whisp Nov 2013 #9

Which voters did Clinton get to that made the win then? Whisp Nov 2013 #11

What a simplistic load of shit Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #16

??? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #34

Actually I doubt ANY Republican could have won 2008 no matter who won the nomination -except Edwards karynnj Nov 2013 #54

I know 47% who would say that. However 53% say that is bullshit lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #6

I don't think Clinton won the election for Obama. HappyMe Nov 2013 #8

Clinton's convention speech caused Democrats DonViejo Nov 2013 #10

It was a wonderful speech. It made all democratic candidates look applegrove Nov 2013 #76

Of course not. Anyone watching him at the convention would already have made up their mind. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #12

This corpmedia narrative is crafted to diminish Obama's leadership in every way they can. blm Nov 2013 #13

Oh, bullshit. No one is claiming that. Obama is a superb leader, a transformative one, too. MADem Nov 2013 #41

I am far more cynical about these 'news' reports than you. blm Nov 2013 #57

It varies wildly. MADem Nov 2013 #59

Yeah, because we Clinton supporters are evil and spend every day Beacool Nov 2013 #61

Obama won largely because Romney was an utterly cartoonish Dickensian villain. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #14

Election Results: Whisp Nov 2013 #17

It was the greatest speech of Bill Clinton's career and definitely impacted the race. onehandle Nov 2013 #18

would that impact be as significant as the Election results I posted above? Whisp Nov 2013 #19

Dunno. But I do know that President Obama barely edged out Hillary in 2008. onehandle Nov 2013 #22

I would have to disagree with that 'they are both the same'. Whisp Nov 2013 #25

Quotation Mark n., Defined... onehandle Nov 2013 #51

Oh, stop making sense and tamping down the bullshit and drama! How dare you make an adult MADem Nov 2013 #42

(S)he who smelt it, dealt it. Nine Nov 2013 #20

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #43

Thank you. Beacool Nov 2013 #63

I doubt if the convention speech had much impact. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2013 #21

Welcome to the 2016 presidential race. Bill and Hillary are the saviors of the party. Mass Nov 2013 #23

IIRC, a lot of reaction was along the lines of... JHB Nov 2013 #24

I'm certain Bill Clinton believes that. nt tridim Nov 2013 #26

Clinton arrogance malaise Nov 2013 #27

It's Clinton arrogance that DUers think he helped Obama? Nine Nov 2013 #74

I think he helped Obama malaise Nov 2013 #75

Though Clinton may not be able to take credit for the Obama win, he damn sure did not hurt Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #28

I lost 20 lbs and whitened my teeth with that speech!!! AtomicKitten Nov 2013 #29

"It did my taxes and cured my gout too!!" Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #38

Mitt Romney and the GOP platform and policies Freddie Nov 2013 #30

It was so delicious to see Mittie and Annie Whisp Nov 2013 #31

She's still mad she can't get her $$ back on the curtains she ordered Freddie Nov 2013 #37

Actually that is the simple truth karynnj Nov 2013 #49

O yes indeed. Jimmy Carter's grandson Whisp Nov 2013 #50

It didn't hurt leftynyc Nov 2013 #32

It has been said here many times Whisp Nov 2013 #33

I've been here for a very long leftynyc Nov 2013 #36

This is a very specific slam, make no mistake--and it's beneath DU. nt MADem Nov 2013 #44

You would think leftynyc Nov 2013 #47

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #55

People who say that want to take credit away from Obama Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #35

+1000000000 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #39

I swear to god, you people keep this shit up and we're gonna lose. Iggo Nov 2013 #45

I know what that's like Whisp Nov 2013 #48

No - There is no way to win an election by even the most electric, cogent speech at a convention karynnj Nov 2013 #46

I wouldn't think so. JoeyT Nov 2013 #52

I don't think so. kentuck Nov 2013 #53

No, but it sure didn't hurt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #56

he helped gopiscrap Nov 2013 #58

The only undercurrent that I smell is the B.S. emanating from this thread. Beacool Nov 2013 #60

The discord was sown against Obama here a long time ago Whisp Nov 2013 #66

Too hurtful? Sweets, what's annoying is the constant nonsense you write. Beacool Nov 2013 #67

It's strange that you can't help yourself Whisp Nov 2013 #68

Someone has to push back........... Beacool Nov 2013 #69

What does 'I'm hearing this' mean? Where are you hearing this? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #62

Whisp thought it would be productive to continue this thread: Nine Nov 2013 #73

Bingo!! Beacool Nov 2013 #77

ah, I see. It's 'nonsense' now Whisp Nov 2013 #83

The speech was pretty much forgotten after the first debate fried eggs Nov 2013 #64

"The undercurrent of this has a smell to it that we should all recognize."... SidDithers Nov 2013 #65

No, he didn't Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #71

no, but he definitely helped. so when people slam bill clinton, it pays to remember that he La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #72

Clinton is all about Clinton.. stillcool Nov 2013 #78

The election was all about who could turn out the base Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #79

Bill was more like Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #80

He may have been responsible for some dems Whisp Nov 2013 #82

No, I would never take that victory away from Barack Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #84

He gave a powerful speech and it helped get out the vote. B Calm Nov 2013 #81