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NoOneMan

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91. "Some of the same people..."

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:45 PM

Dec 2013

Who? Do these people exist? Got any names?

I've never even heard of rape porn and vaginal knitting until its suddently the rage on DU. Its getting silly.

Many express disgusting that a woman use her breasts in public for the purpose they were designed--feeding babies

Who? Who is many? Got any names? Anyone on DU or just an occassional idiot Walmart employee who subsequently gets reprimanded for stupidity?

Maybe there are people here like this. Most certainly not in this thread. This is a progressive board. You are normally preaching to the choir until you need to use stereotypes and generalizations to get your points across.

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There is nothing that causes outrage among men like female sexual autonomy. [View all] Recursion Dec 2013 OP

women are not a passive receptacle all forms of male violence FatBuddy Dec 2013 #1

Sexuality is used as a way to control both men and women quinnox Dec 2013 #2

I grant the large point, and sex has always been used to control men too Recursion Dec 2013 #3

I would tend to agree with you on this quinnox Dec 2013 #6

Really? What about all the posts that seem to resent men "jacking off"? Bonobo Dec 2013 #126

Who actually resents men for "jacking off"? No one sane. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #129

"Jack off", "jerk off", "get their rocks off", "get their jollies"... Bonobo Dec 2013 #131

It may be, on some level. Rooted in a time when masturbation was considered shameful. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #135

I agree that it is not that simple. Bonobo Dec 2013 #136

Yeah, but we're the only targets of all current bagger legislation, not men. catbyte Dec 2013 #4

I can't argue with that quinnox Dec 2013 #8

Bingo Recursion Dec 2013 #11

I'm thinking of wording that another way-- BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #47

or posts about the same Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #5

. Squinch Dec 2013 #82

So how do you deal with your rage? Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #7

I don't know that I have to "deal with" it; I've just felt it Recursion Dec 2013 #9

I've thought many times that men who have hostility problems BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #51

You said it, Blanche! Great post! CTyankee Dec 2013 #86

I think that's the root of it: we have "excused male aggression...for millenia, while Squinch Dec 2013 #90

You made some excellent points FrodosPet Dec 2013 #145

It might work the same way for jobs The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #146

Well, that's a completely different topic, but OK. Squinch Dec 2013 #148

Excellent post! In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #10

What you are feeling is jealousy, and you're not uniquely vulnerable to it because you are a man. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #12

That's what I was thinking. woolldog Dec 2013 #28

Agreed LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #48

Why do you guys take this so personally? Like it applies equally to *all* men? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #107

The OP is a big logic fail. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #114

When has men's sexual agency ever been restricted to the same degree as women's? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #119

Bullshit. MadrasT Dec 2013 #128

That's cool. woolldog Dec 2013 #132

Half of Taylor Swift's music catalog just as an example. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #160

Organized religion was primative(unenlightened) man's means of controlling society. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #13

It would be nice if you added just one word to your subject line. trotsky Dec 2013 #14

But are observations of large-scale social phenomena necessarily a "broad brush"? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #109

Do you think ALL men are "outraged" by a woman choosing a different partner? trotsky Dec 2013 #142

No. But I didn't take the OP as a statement on all men, universally. Just a general observation. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #153

Large Brush you are using there. bvar22 Dec 2013 #15

Umm... speak for yourself. DanTex Dec 2013 #16

^^^THIS^^^ cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #57

Yes there is. Bad beer. postulater Dec 2013 #17

K&R beautifully said n/t LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #18

What a mess. mathematic Dec 2013 #19

Where are men widely shamed for their sexual expression? BainsBane Dec 2013 #44

well, I think for men to be anti-choice, it is really about the question of women being CTyankee Dec 2013 #89

Very true. Stomping down and controlling women is at the very heart of the patriarchal monotheisms. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #20

Well, I dunno... pipi_k Dec 2013 #21

You won't get any argument from me. nt raccoon Dec 2013 #22

I think you meant "some" men RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #23

Probably true, but it depends on the context, right? Helen Borg Dec 2013 #24

What if a woman uses her sexual autonomy to choose to become a porn actress? redgreenandblue Dec 2013 #25

Most anti-porn activists are right-wing men. I think they would be the "outraged" ones. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #113

I first read that as "anatomy" jberryhill Dec 2013 #26

++ FarCenter Dec 2013 #68

"among men" <---- ALL OF THEM! NoOneMan Dec 2013 #27

Get over yourself Mopar151 Dec 2013 #31

No NoOneMan Dec 2013 #46

So, I take it you realized that your original post, before all your edits, the one that Squinch Dec 2013 #32

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #38

Well, I voted to hide it. Squinch Dec 2013 #40

It should no more be hidden than an OP that says all "men/women/white people/AA's/heteros/".... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #42

Well, but what you said was Squinch Dec 2013 #45

Thats a perfectly acceptable response to prejudice and stereotypes NoOneMan Dec 2013 #49

"you happen to have had 1 single bad experience" BainsBane Dec 2013 #33

Yes, broadbrush stereotypes against an entire gender tend to create reactions that miss the point NoOneMan Dec 2013 #39

Do you think Aerows Dec 2013 #78

Yes, but its not reason to hate an entire group of people due to their gender, race, religion, etc. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #85

I do not understand this Bok_Tukalo Dec 2013 #29

I would say 'some men', rather than 'men', which seems overly-inclusive. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #30

The point is about endemic sexism BainsBane Dec 2013 #36

You mean the type of sexism that leads to broadbrush stereotypes? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #41

No, I don't mean having your feelings hurt BainsBane Dec 2013 #50

Oh, so now ignorant stereotypical broadbrushes just hurt our poor wittle feelings NoOneMan Dec 2013 #52

Which evidently you find more significant BainsBane Dec 2013 #53

Oh, ffs! AAO Dec 2013 #58

If you want to discuss the violence against women, do you blame ALL men first? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #60

I blame misogyny BainsBane Dec 2013 #66

I didn't miss the point. Rather, I didn't get to it. I stopped at the stereotype. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #69

Seems to me you have no idea of what sexism or racism are BainsBane Dec 2013 #70

Yep, thats it. My objection to prejudice is just a bothersome character flaw NoOneMan Dec 2013 #72

Yeah, because everybody knows there's no basis whatsoever for women to be distrustful of men. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #116

It certainly is, and I don't dispute that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #43

In some ways it's worse than 50 yrs ago BainsBane Dec 2013 #56

I do see some of that in certain online avenues. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #61

I agree he might have phrased it more carefully BainsBane Dec 2013 #62

"But many would respond the same regardless" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #64

So the fact that 1 in 3 women is abused by a man is a "stereotype"? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #120

I would agree that it could have been phrased better LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #73

+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #121

Well said. And it is an interesting area for discussion. But, of course, that won't happen. Squinch Dec 2013 #34

What a ridiculous post tkmorris Dec 2013 #35

Could you please restate this? The Green Manalishi Dec 2013 #37

Could you at least title the OP: "causes outrage among SOME men" AAO Dec 2013 #54

Might be YOUR issue whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #55

Well the main flaw in your logic is... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #59

The secondary flaw is the presumption that women don't feel the same thing. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #65

The idea that they don't is sexist in an of itself Major Nikon Dec 2013 #80

I agree tazkcmo Dec 2013 #79

There is nothing that causes outrage like a hasty generalization TheSarcastinator Dec 2013 #63

I'm not outraged that women don't want to fuck you. Your issues are your own. Throd Dec 2013 #67

Not all men. Feral Child Dec 2013 #71

This isn't the Sudan swishyfeet Dec 2013 #74

3% of rapists in this country do jail time BainsBane Dec 2013 #101

Speak for yourself DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #75

Thank you Aerows Dec 2013 #76

I can think of lots of thing nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #77

This thread is very interesting. athena Dec 2013 #81

Why is his generalization based on a personal anecdote any more valid... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #84

You are not addressing the argument he made. athena Dec 2013 #100

If you want to start a conversation, you don't accuse others of something right off the bat The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #106

That's not what he said. athena Dec 2013 #122

Fair enough The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #133

What if it's something they're actually *doing*? If only subconsciously? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #124

Then it will be much more difficult to consciously change it The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #137

Agreed. Some will more or less willingly acquiesce to change, others will have to be dragged nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #139

You're paraphrasing and projecting your own views. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #111

Nice try. athena Dec 2013 #118

Your argument depends upon him self identifying as a misognynist. Right? Surely you can see that? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #123

He did reveal personal weaknesses The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #141

Bravo! Squinch Dec 2013 #152

Personally, I thought his observation was very astute. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #155

This thread goes beyond someone recognizing their own person actions or instincts NoOneMan Dec 2013 #88

You have no idea what the OP is arguing BainsBane Dec 2013 #102

I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it "disturbing." Sexual jealousy/frustration is a common- nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #125

Really, the issue is what a culture does with it. Every culture uses it's rage cudgel Squinch Dec 2013 #149

I don't find it inappropriate either. And I've never physically harmed anyone but I've certainly nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #154

That is someone who at least has the awareness to work toward egalitarianism BainsBane Dec 2013 #96

Exactly! athena Dec 2013 #104

Yes, because we are raised in a society with endemic sexism and racism BainsBane Dec 2013 #105

For one example BainsBane Dec 2013 #83

"Some of the same people..." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #91

I'm not calling out names BainsBane Dec 2013 #93

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #156

Bullshit! Springslips Dec 2013 #87

Are you here trying to find a girlfriend something? TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #92

Since the obvious eludes many here BainsBane Dec 2013 #94

. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #95

From the body of your post The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #97

Do you think there is any difference between men in general and women in general Squinch Dec 2013 #150

If a grasp of "the obvious" requires reading all of DU every day... TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #98

If you go back 10,000 years, you'll find that religions worshiped the female. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #99

Yeah .... those men ... Trajan Dec 2013 #103

Please don't project your rage issues on to other men LittleBlue Dec 2013 #108

Yes, of course. They hate us for our freedoms. nt Courtesy Flush Dec 2013 #110

"It has angered me when women wanted to be sexually involved with men other than me" Kaleva Dec 2013 #112

Wanting to control other human beings is a bad part of human nature. Bonobo Dec 2013 #115

Someone is into the Christmas cheer a tad early! whistler162 Dec 2013 #117

LOL, I've always enjoyed it - far from outraged;) grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #127

Well stated. MadrasT Dec 2013 #130

Broadbrush attacks calling out an entire gender for collective guilt will do that. Throd Dec 2013 #134

Too many of the replies are hung up on "all" versus "some" Jim Lane Dec 2013 #138

I don't care if a woman wants to fuck other men. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #140

Someone upthread said, "This isn't the Sudan." That is true, but Squinch Dec 2013 #143

This is illogical Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #144

How many men are straight, yet some are homophobes darkangel218 Dec 2013 #151

Those men are from traditional Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #157

Everyone's so flipped out about your subject line, when the point is really your last sentence. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #147

Let me offer a different take Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #158

Sooo....when a woman says.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #159

Speak for yourself. 99Forever Dec 2013 #161

Whoa. A bit TMI there with your inner rages. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #162

I believe the OP has abandoned this steaming pile of illogic. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #163