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In reply to the discussion: There is nothing that causes outrage among men like female sexual autonomy. [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)114. The OP is a big logic fail.
It's a world view in search of a rationale.
Of course you feel jealousy, it's a human emotion. Every man and woman on this site feels jealousy.
The OP is extrapolating personal feelings of jealousy to generalized desire for control of women's but not men's sexual agency.
a) it's too big a leap, and
b) the italicized bit is more relevant in a thread about porn.
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There is nothing that causes outrage among men like female sexual autonomy. [View all]
Recursion
Dec 2013
OP
It may be, on some level. Rooted in a time when masturbation was considered shameful.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#135
I think that's the root of it: we have "excused male aggression...for millenia, while
Squinch
Dec 2013
#90
What you are feeling is jealousy, and you're not uniquely vulnerable to it because you are a man. nt
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#12
Why do you guys take this so personally? Like it applies equally to *all* men?
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#107
When has men's sexual agency ever been restricted to the same degree as women's?
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#119
Organized religion was primative(unenlightened) man's means of controlling society.
Dawson Leery
Dec 2013
#13
But are observations of large-scale social phenomena necessarily a "broad brush"?
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#109
No. But I didn't take the OP as a statement on all men, universally. Just a general observation.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#153
well, I think for men to be anti-choice, it is really about the question of women being
CTyankee
Dec 2013
#89
Very true. Stomping down and controlling women is at the very heart of the patriarchal monotheisms.
Arugula Latte
Dec 2013
#20
What if a woman uses her sexual autonomy to choose to become a porn actress?
redgreenandblue
Dec 2013
#25
Most anti-porn activists are right-wing men. I think they would be the "outraged" ones.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#113
So, I take it you realized that your original post, before all your edits, the one that
Squinch
Dec 2013
#32
It should no more be hidden than an OP that says all "men/women/white people/AA's/heteros/"....
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#42
Yes, broadbrush stereotypes against an entire gender tend to create reactions that miss the point
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#39
Yes, but its not reason to hate an entire group of people due to their gender, race, religion, etc.
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#85
I would say 'some men', rather than 'men', which seems overly-inclusive.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#30
Oh, so now ignorant stereotypical broadbrushes just hurt our poor wittle feelings
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#52
If you want to discuss the violence against women, do you blame ALL men first?
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#60
I didn't miss the point. Rather, I didn't get to it. I stopped at the stereotype.
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#69
Yeah, because everybody knows there's no basis whatsoever for women to be distrustful of men.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#116
Well said. And it is an interesting area for discussion. But, of course, that won't happen.
Squinch
Dec 2013
#34
The secondary flaw is the presumption that women don't feel the same thing.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#65
Why is his generalization based on a personal anecdote any more valid...
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#84
If you want to start a conversation, you don't accuse others of something right off the bat
The2ndWheel
Dec 2013
#106
What if it's something they're actually *doing*? If only subconsciously?
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#124
Agreed. Some will more or less willingly acquiesce to change, others will have to be dragged
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#139
Your argument depends upon him self identifying as a misognynist. Right? Surely you can see that?
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2013
#123
This thread goes beyond someone recognizing their own person actions or instincts
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#88
I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it "disturbing." Sexual jealousy/frustration is a common-
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#125
Really, the issue is what a culture does with it. Every culture uses it's rage cudgel
Squinch
Dec 2013
#149
I don't find it inappropriate either. And I've never physically harmed anyone but I've certainly
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#154
Do you think there is any difference between men in general and women in general
Squinch
Dec 2013
#150
If you go back 10,000 years, you'll find that religions worshiped the female.
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2013
#99
"It has angered me when women wanted to be sexually involved with men other than me"
Kaleva
Dec 2013
#112
Broadbrush attacks calling out an entire gender for collective guilt will do that.
Throd
Dec 2013
#134