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99th_Monkey

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Mon Jan 6, 2014, 02:57 PM Jan 2014

Woo v. Science: A DU Tempest in a Teapot [View all]

About 50 years ago, I took my first LSD trip. Together with the wondrous colors, hyper aliveness of trees, clouds, people, rocks, was a new awareness that took several days to come fully into focus. Undergirding the sensory tsunami of dancing energy patterns was some new piece of important information that would profoundly change how I viewed my world. In my "new" world the jig was up, there was an inherent sense of knowing that all things are intricately and delicately connected and inter-related somehow. Spirit and matter were no longer at odds with one another, and truth could take me wherever it led without my "science v. spirit" blinders.

This new insight, simply stated, was this: That there is nothing inherently oppositional or problematic about the seeming dichotomy of "science v. spirituality", because they are ultimately one in the same thing. The endless war of words about "science v. spirituality" is nothing more than a proxy war for those at the top of their respective authority structures seeking personal/professional advantage. Truth does not oppose itself, but humans -- when possessed by greed and avarice -- have an unfortunate habit of misusing truth to abuse one another.


During the intervening 50 years, advances in the field of quantum physics and string theory have pretty much confirmed the voracity of my experience on acid: i.e. that all things are alive and somehow interconnected in ways that cannot be adequately explained with the Newtonian mechanistic worldview, that there is life-force energy permeating everything, etc.

So please forgive me if I find this "woo v. science" kerfuffle on DU 50 years later to be downright laughable.
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Monkey #32 says you've gone off the deep end again... snooper2 Jan 2014 #1
Great post get the red out Jan 2014 #2
This is DU. It's what happens. We have a whole collection of teapots The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #3
LOL - true dat ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #9
Science is perfectly capable of explaining the LSD trip. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #4
What the hell is this "woo" stuff? LionsTigersRedWings Jan 2014 #33
There's an excellent definition here: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #34
When you espouse/believe in the outcome of a process without any scientific valerief Jan 2014 #36
How is that also not true when a hypothesis Skidmore Jan 2014 #39
Considering possibilities is one thing. Espousing/believing is another. I think that's the valerief Jan 2014 #44
arrogance uses words like this when they want to demean someone who says roguevalley Jan 2014 #52
An example of woo MattBaggins Jan 2014 #56
Super cool story bro. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #5
Rec. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #8
All things are alive edhopper Jan 2014 #6
All things, including the InterWebs. 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #12
Define "alive" edhopper Jan 2014 #27
Thank god. Squinch Jan 2014 #57
Nope. Not going there in this thread... MineralMan Jan 2014 #7
Oh good grief... gcomeau Jan 2014 #10
But on the other hand...it says a lot about what "woo" confirms... NNadir Jan 2014 #20
^^^^^^^^^^^^ mike_c Jan 2014 #31
Not merely woo, but quantum woo!... SidDithers Jan 2014 #11
where were you earlier when this needed to be resolved? treestar Jan 2014 #13
What a coincidence. I came to the same conclusion at my Raelian Church. progressoid Jan 2014 #14
For real? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #26
Naw progressoid Jan 2014 #35
No!! Quantum physics and string theory have NOT "pretty much confirmed the voracity of my experience retread Jan 2014 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #16
If I may be a spelling nazi eShirl Jan 2014 #17
You realize that science can explain the sufrommich Jan 2014 #18
thanks for this post Locrian Jan 2014 #19
Wow, that is one of the most accurate descriptions.. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #21
Actually, Peter O'Toole died last year--it's 2014 now. You been dippin' into the LSD? :) nt justiceischeap Jan 2014 #47
So instead of education all you need is LSD Progressive dog Jan 2014 #22
Yes. Phlem Jan 2014 #24
Yet another major post-LSD life change was profound & passionate curiosity about everything 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #42
Okay, better living through chemistry I guess Progressive dog Jan 2014 #46
Distinctions can be very useful, false dichotomies, not so much. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #48
You should look up dichotomy because I Progressive dog Jan 2014 #49
Woo v. Science = false dichotomy IMHO 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #51
They are entirely different things, by definition Progressive dog Jan 2014 #54
K&R! Phlem Jan 2014 #23
Mean-spirited claim about motives. Mischaracterization to assume it's "science vs spirituality". Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #25
You make a somewhat valid point 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #50
Great. Now give us some science that proves your 'spirtuality' is more than a hallcuination. dorkulon Jan 2014 #28
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jan 2014 #29
Virtually no one who has not done psychedelics will understand. zeemike Jan 2014 #30
I did more acid than I could count. I understood I was sufrommich Jan 2014 #32
Well it is different for everyone. zeemike Jan 2014 #41
I agree with you completely lisby Jan 2014 #37
Is that you, Deepak? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #38
You're most likely right. Xyzse Jan 2014 #40
Man do I hear you 99th Monkey. Phlem Jan 2014 #43
Thank you Phlem. 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #53
Similar to my own experience. Blue_In_AK Jan 2014 #45
Far out, man. Far out. longship Jan 2014 #55
Das cool. thanks. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2014 #59
K&R rosesaylavee Jan 2014 #58
Yeh, nothing blows away preconceptions quite like the blast of a serious dose of Zorra Jan 2014 #60
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