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Bozvotros

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35. Freud couldn't believe how many of his hysterical patients remembered being sexually abused.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:43 PM
Feb 2014

And it didn't make him very popular among the Victorian psychologists. He eventually recanted and decided it was mostly fantasy and repressed wishes. Couldn't be that many child rapists and molestors out there..... could there? So Little Jane or Jimmy must have wanted to have Daddy's penis and Father Jim's too and Uncle Ernie etc so they invented the abuse and their guilt gave them the vapors or hysterical paralysis and blindness. But now we know different. The Catholic church hasn't been giving away billions in reparations to adults having repressed wishes and fantasies.

I have been a therapist for 30 years and I know that memories are not a recording of an event. Even very vivid traumatic memories can be deeply distorted by and altered by a child's mind. Even an adult mind can be tricked into believing things that aren't true. Tea Party =Exhibit A-Z.

But kids are very egocentric and tend to think that whatever happens to them is something they wanted or brought about. Hard for a child to believe how very little power they really have and they can't even conceive what is happening to them when they are being raped. I had an adult tell me her father put a knife into her vagina. When I asked if she was scarred she said no and could not figure out why because she remembered a lot of blood. She was terrified of men her whole life, saw them as brutes, deceivers and just waiting to hurt her. Every penis was a torture instrument. Even after she realized the sad truth of her tininess against her father's size and weight she still thought of sex as knives going into her.

I also worked with perps who told me how they groomed and manipulated their victims until the child was so confused about everything they believed they were fully responsible for what had happened. As adults their victims have to challenge their self blaming memories with rational thinking and compassion because they had been deceiving themselves with their child version their whole life.

Just know that there is a whole lot of real sexual abuse to children happening out there. And every uncaught perp does a little happy dance when he hears the McMartin story get a new readership and the False Memory folks get a little time on talk radio. Makes everything much easier to explain to the kids....and the jury.

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #1
Yet. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #4
K&R lame54 Feb 2014 #2
Very interesting thx for the post. Drew Richards Feb 2014 #3
Aw, Manny, you'll never be on my ignore list. And this essay is so true. Nay Feb 2014 #5
I guess you could also be told a false story that abuse never happened gwheezie Feb 2014 #6
In 12 years I have never put anyone on ignore, and even if I had, it would not be ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #7
Good point. Anyway, regarding the Woody Allen case, I just have to be very puzzled quinnox Feb 2014 #8
Manny; AngryAmish Feb 2014 #9
Asfar as the jury system - I was thinking how truedelphi Feb 2014 #19
I've had two successful trial lawyers tell me that judges MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #21
Judges also decide on emotion. AngryAmish Feb 2014 #25
That's why we have judges Scootaloo Feb 2014 #31
Judges decide on emotion more than we'd like but less than jurors do. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #46
Judges are human and emotions play a role in their verdicts Gothmog Feb 2014 #52
Thank you for this post Mira Feb 2014 #10
Having been one of six kids and having raised three kids and being around my grandaughter.... marble falls Feb 2014 #11
A very nice long post Manny. For balance here is a short post. A Simple Game Feb 2014 #12
+1 jsr Feb 2014 #14
That's one reason why I have a hell of a lot of trouble MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #15
And the Kenneth Waters case. pamela Feb 2014 #38
I've been on jury duty 7 times - New Orleans Strong Feb 2014 #13
Ignore list? What's that? malthaussen Feb 2014 #16
It is really not a surprise when you think about it. zeemike Feb 2014 #17
Sadly... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #24
''We should be careful.'' DeSwiss Feb 2014 #18
K&R. I don't always agree with you, Manny... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #20
And yet, not all memories are seeds planted by wronged women justiceischeap Feb 2014 #22
Good questions Scootaloo Feb 2014 #33
Sadly, a Mother can do blue14u Feb 2014 #36
We could be twins... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #23
my take, simplified steve2470 Feb 2014 #26
"We should be careful" ... We are very careful ... ??? MindMover Feb 2014 #27
Well... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #32
And I am not quite sure what some people are trying to do other than to reject all doubt. n/t kjones Feb 2014 #37
I doubt people who make generalized statements about something they know ... MindMover Feb 2014 #41
Welcome to ignore. Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #28
I think it's fair to say that these types of cases are very difficult to try, Maedhros Feb 2014 #29
Well, another thread where "someone" is just gonna take the rec list and add all of us to "ignore" riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #30
That was extremely interesting. Matariki Feb 2014 #34
Freud couldn't believe how many of his hysterical patients remembered being sexually abused. Bozvotros Feb 2014 #35
It wasn't just the McMartin case. El_Johns Feb 2014 #39
You are right about witch hunts being real Bozvotros Feb 2014 #58
Thank you for this post. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #45
You are welcome. NT Bozvotros Feb 2014 #59
Ignore you? Never! You're among the wisest of DU members. Thanks for this. Scuba Feb 2014 #40
Glad I read this poor titled OP. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #43
Apparently false memory panic is the order of the day now. kcr Feb 2014 #44
They already do gaspee Feb 2014 #47
Yes, and this is the part that bothers me about this whole sordid thing the most kcr Feb 2014 #48
Manny that is a long post but I read it in spite of the teaser "that nobody will read." rhett o rick Feb 2014 #49
It started out with a different title - and nobody was reading it. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #50
I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree with you.... PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #51
Excellent OP. Thanks. k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #53
Good post Gothmog Feb 2014 #54
aha, you only THINK you took a class from dr. ceci! unblock Feb 2014 #55
Thank you for posting this, Manny. sibelian Feb 2014 #56
Thank you for a reasoned comment on a very awkward story. liberalmuse Feb 2014 #57
I'm glad I did not read that. Rex Feb 2014 #60
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