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frazzled

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7. Unforunately, it's a law, and this budget (once again) proposes reducing the number.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:59 PM
Apr 2014

Can the president break the law? It really doesn't matter in this case, because it is Congress that will ultimately pass a budget, no matter what the president proposes. And for the second time, he's proposed a reduction in the number of beds:

The Obama administration proposed in its budget on Tuesday that it should maintain fewer beds for detaining immigrants, hitting a controversial mandate that it argues gives the government too little flexibility to pursue cheaper and more humane options.

The government is currently required to maintain 34,000 beds for immigrant detainees, at the cost of $2 billion per year. Advocates of changing the detention standards argue that simply doesn't make sense: there are plenty of immigrants who could be monitored through alternatives such as ankle bracelets or check-ins with a case officer to avoid the huge cost to the federal government and keep them from being unnecessarily detained while their case is adjudicated.

The proposed 2015 Department of Homeland Security budget would reduce the bed mandate from 34,000 to about 30,500. The administration has made such a push before, but without much luck. The 2014 budget proposal, which was not enacted, requested funding to maintain 31,800 immigrant detention beds.

The FY 2015 budget proposal states that the savings from a lower bed mandate would be $184.8 million.

"This level of beds will allow [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] to detain the current mandatory population, as well as the high-risk, non-mandatory detainees," the 2015 proposal reads. "ICE will ensure the most cost-effective use of our appropriated funding by focusing the more-costly detention capabilities on priority and mandatory detainees, while placing low-risk, non-mandatory detainees in lower cost alternatives to detention programs."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/budget-immigration_n_4899244.html

"Immigrants who have committed no crimes" will be put in prison? I'm going to have to see the proof NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #1
How do you feel about the government's guaranteeing bed occupancy in private prisons woo me with science Apr 2014 #2
See my additional comments. Congress members want to keep their friends in business. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #5
I'm tired of the lie that Republican obstructionism is the problem here. woo me with science Apr 2014 #6
Well then you should self-delete this and start a new OP with these facts. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #10
It must be challenging ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #13
It's that season, I suppose. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #15
This ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #16
Are you being dishonest, or simply missing the point? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #20
It's old news and Obama has since come out in favor of reducing the number of slots NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #29
So the OP is correct and you are LYING in denouncing it as "LIES" down thread. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #31
No, you are the one defending a distortion. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #34
If it's old news that's no longer factual then it become a lie if repeated. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #49
And notice how many of the links were back to his own spew. 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #56
And I don't know f you recall ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #61
+1 leftstreet Apr 2014 #18
"Sounds like a fishy attempt to smear the POTUS just as election season is looming" Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #4
What does the lack of a item veto have to do with Obama's budget? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #17
So it's the law that ICE keep this minimum number incarcerated? randome Apr 2014 #3
Unforunately, it's a law, and this budget (once again) proposes reducing the number. frazzled Apr 2014 #7
So you claim Obama is violating the law with the request? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #25
Don't be absurd. You're accusing people of "lying" for pointing out the facts. ProSense Apr 2014 #37
It's not an imaginary law frazzled Apr 2014 #52
You are wrong. The imaginary law mentioned is imaginary. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #58
Your links are 2013. I found the President's budget. Please read: NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #8
Won't happen. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #14
As the president has no line item veto, a law passed under Article 1 section 8 msanthrope Apr 2014 #9
And that has to do with... what? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #28
Does no one teach civics anymore? You do realize of course that the president is charged msanthrope Apr 2014 #51
Your arrogance while being wrong is impressive cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #57
If you're interested, ProSense Apr 2014 #11
OP edited the name "Obama" from the subject line. And then put it back! NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #12
Camp announced recently that he isn't running for re-election. amandabeech Apr 2014 #39
The Third Way propaganda swarm in response to this OP is expected, woo me with science Apr 2014 #19
"Yes, Obama's budget for 2015 proposes a very small decrease in the number of quota beds." ProSense Apr 2014 #22
It's important to read the rest, too. woo me with science Apr 2014 #23
"The request for this token decrease has been made before, with no serious effort, ever... ProSense Apr 2014 #27
You have been owned upthread Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #41
"Including all the blue links I provided, which actually go somewhere." Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #53
Your post and links are LIES. So you resort to insults. Typical when losing the argument. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #24
Where are these LIES you lying about? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #30
You keep ignoring the fact the the OP has backtracked and admitted a decrease n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #36
I stand corrected. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #26
All the edits can be seen by clicking the "Thread Info" button at the bottom of the OP... SidDithers Apr 2014 #33
No, what's creepy is making up this accusation, woo me with science Apr 2014 #35
You're right, I apologize, it was a different OP you wrote. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #46
... SidDithers Apr 2014 #21
Can I buy an 'O' for 'Woo'? randome Apr 2014 #32
Why are we debating a law passed during the Bush Administration? randome Apr 2014 #38
There is no law that the President must maintain quotas for the imprisonment of human beings woo me with science Apr 2014 #40
Ridiculous. ProSense Apr 2014 #42
Um... YES! ("Maybe the next President could simply leave out funding for any law s/he opposes.") cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #45
Bullshit. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #47
You use "bullshit" to mean "true" now? cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #54
No, still bullshit. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #55
As posted up thread, here ProSense Apr 2014 #50
So not funding prisoners would result in...? randome Apr 2014 #44
There is no law requiring the President to budget any particular amount for this in his proposals TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #48
Obam is clueless when it comes to undocumented workers, border enforcement, etc. Vattel Apr 2014 #43
K&R for the morning crowd. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #59
The very concept of quotas for a certain amount of prisoners to be LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #60
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