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bossy22

(3,547 posts)
86. there is one problem with this and you actually mentioned it
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:25 PM
May 2014
Especially when it's a first time killer with no record to indicate that he's a danger to society


Until "pre-crime" is developed or something similar we cannot predict with absolute confidence that said person won't go out and kill someone. Someone that "puts on a good show" will always fool authorities. We can't change that

Our society can't seem to find a common ground that preserves the rights of law abiding gun owners and keeps them out of the hands of criminals and serial killers


I have a problem when people say this because in fact we do have a system in place- the background check or National Criminal Instant Check. Especially in California this "compromise" is even more present. California requires you to pass a safety test before you can purchase any weapon. You must submit to a background check that checks for criminal and MENTAL Disqualifications. You must wait 10 days before you can actually pick up your weapon. Every sale is recorded and a record is sent to the State for their database. I don't know about you, but to me this sounds like a pretty reasonable system.

You can make the background checks more effective theoretically by allowing them to check your medical records as well. But this is contrary to our medical privacy laws and would set off a whole different set of issues. In NYS, the recent SAFE act has a similar problem under its mental health provisions. Many health professionals objected to them because of privacy issues and I believe they haven't gone into effect yet for these reasons.
To be clear, we do have a problem with guns in this country Xipe Totec May 2014 #1
Do you have a link to the "knife" story? Thanks. Eleanors38 May 2014 #2
It's on LBN Xipe Totec May 2014 #4
It's true - the Sheriff said so at the press conference malaise May 2014 #10
Sounds like the State of California with its anti-gun AG Harris Eleanors38 May 2014 #43
As a Californian, I would appreciate links to "AG Harris...confiscating guns from residences" Hekate May 2014 #104
California operates an Armed Prohibited Persons System, which attempts petronius May 2014 #110
Doesn't sound like a bad start, but am sure it can be improved Hekate May 2014 #111
It is a good start, but it depends on the information getting into the petronius May 2014 #114
agreed, right now it's not working very well, but that doesn't mean it can't passiveporcupine May 2014 #130
Google: Kamala Harris seizes Guns. Eleanors38 May 2014 #113
This guys son was shot with a gun in a delicatessen. boston bean May 2014 #7
I don't blame the grieving father for feeling that way Xipe Totec May 2014 #13
My opinion, is I think it would not make a shits bit of difference to him. boston bean May 2014 #14
As you said, he has a right to an opinion and so do I Xipe Totec May 2014 #15
And neither are you. Do you not see that it is you who are boston bean May 2014 #16
Actually, he IS. We ALL are - if we agree about this UBER-excessive gun violence problem. calimary May 2014 #59
Precisely. 3catwoman3 May 2014 #98
He DID plan to use his car to mow down people. dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #45
In my opinion, stabbing is face to face, personal confrontation and punishment. This is a type of DhhD May 2014 #47
Yes, it is unless you attack the people you want to kill while they are sleeping passiveporcupine May 2014 #131
What the hell difference does "he also stabbed people" make? Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #132
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #33
We have a fucking racist troll here, ya'll! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #36
The guy was armed to the teeth with guns. MoonRiver May 2014 #9
Cut down by people with....? JJChambers May 2014 #18
we were lucky that he "ran into" a police officer bossy22 May 2014 #22
Says more about a willingness to exboyfil May 2014 #12
I would like to know which videos the family and police where aware of prior to the shooting spree. dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #48
I don't know which videos exboyfil May 2014 #60
To be clear "we" don't have a problem with guns? mikeysnot May 2014 #40
The NRA wants you to blame everyone except them 951-Riverside May 2014 #3
I don't think the problem TBF May 2014 #6
Funding for mental health and TBF May 2014 #5
this guy would have gotten a license....thats the issue bossy22 May 2014 #8
Perhaps there should be a limit on how many guns and ammo one can own. MoonRiver May 2014 #11
5 or 6 isn't necessarily alot bossy22 May 2014 #19
On top of the parents' and therapist's concern, plus the disturbing youtube videos, the MoonRiver May 2014 #21
yes he was bossy22 May 2014 #24
The thing is, he didn't blend in. MoonRiver May 2014 #27
not "blending in" is still not a crime bossy22 May 2014 #42
Yes, it would have been hard to take their son to court MoonRiver May 2014 #44
"The parents could have..."Once a child is 18, parental rights are pretty much terminated regardless Hekate May 2014 #108
so he should only be allowed to own hunting rifles? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #20
Here (again) is the answer to your ?'s. Sancho May 2014 #106
I have read you post before Duckhunter935 May 2014 #107
I like these! Mad-in-Mo May 2014 #135
Instead of licensing the gun TBF May 2014 #34
I can't agree with your license requirements, but using NICS Eleanors38 May 2014 #46
I don't think we're going to agree on 2A rights either - TBF May 2014 #64
Do not misunderstand my reply tiredtoo May 2014 #17
No one is going to agree to keep firearms in a county lockup. NutmegYankee May 2014 #39
Canada does not have more guns per resident than the US. Michael Moore is wrong about that. DanTex May 2014 #115
CA gets the worst scores from the NRA and the best from the Brady Bunch. aikoaiko May 2014 #23
Suspect had 40 magazines. Who buys that many??? Historic NY May 2014 #25
I guess he did. Duckhunter935 May 2014 #28
When I buy a semi-auto, I routinely buy 10 mags with each new gun aikoaiko May 2014 #91
People that shoot a lot hack89 May 2014 #134
How about we blame the person who actually killed people...? Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #26
Nope - this is not a Republican TBF May 2014 #37
This is a Democratic site, and the dead suspect IS at fault. Eleanors38 May 2014 #49
Individual rights is a republican concept - TBF May 2014 #65
Can't speak for the GOP. But individual rights are Eleanors38 May 2014 #87
That was supposed to say "confused" - TBF May 2014 #90
Individual rights Abq_Sarah May 2014 #120
But it hasn't been one has it - TBF May 2014 #122
Yes he pretty clearly is guilty, but what made him think this was okay? Agschmid May 2014 #41
I agree with this approach. Eleanors38 May 2014 #50
The reason I'm dismissive of that ... Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #94
agree 100% bossy22 May 2014 #102
first post-really? maced666 May 2014 #52
Is there a bit of social etiquette that I missed? Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #89
because we actually have CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS HERE Skittles May 2014 #119
You seem very sensitive to the idea of blaming the person. . Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #121
your lack of critical thinking skills are clealy on display here Skittles May 2014 #125
So nothing to add then? Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #126
The NRA has blood on its hands. hrmjustin May 2014 #124
How about we also blame the people who made it possible for him to do so? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #127
Right after we sue the cutlery manufacturers for the obesity deaths... Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #128
I think there are multiple system/culture failures in this incident IronLionZion May 2014 #29
What about the ones he killed with a knife? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #30
Well this is expected from MyNameGoesHere May 2014 #31
How very nice of you to bring the penis reference in Duckhunter935 May 2014 #32
A weapon is an extension of self. Any machine is an extension that does the work of what is in the DhhD May 2014 #51
And then, there are those cigars. Eleanors38 May 2014 #58
Yes, but, cigars don't kill other people. MoonRiver May 2014 #73
Guns don't produce auto-induced orgasms, either. Eleanors38 May 2014 #74
"swanky terminology?" MoonRiver May 2014 #77
Well, I was trying to be complimentary to a barren landscape. Eleanors38 May 2014 #81
Barren only to the uneducated and uninformed. MoonRiver May 2014 #82
Well, off to a Tex-Mex. Have a good day. Eleanors38 May 2014 #88
... MoonRiver May 2014 #92
What do you normally "stroke?" How long does it take you? Eleanors38 May 2014 #54
The desire to hurt others is a serious problem in this country IronLionZion May 2014 #35
You're right on both accounts. SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #97
Good question. maced666 May 2014 #53
Let's see if noted politicians will propose measures to thwart the "industry"... Eleanors38 May 2014 #57
The NRA Sets The Table For These Horrific Events DallasNE May 2014 #38
so you want to imprison anyone you disagree with on guns backwoodsbob May 2014 #72
Excise Tax Equals Imprisonment? DallasNE May 2014 #83
No, I beieve it's "time to declare the NRA a terrorist organization". blueridge3210 May 2014 #105
Oh, I Stepped On Those Toes DallasNE May 2014 #116
Which "messaging" would that be? blueridge3210 May 2014 #117
I thought that was the NSSF? bossy22 May 2014 #75
There already is a tax on them Duckhunter935 May 2014 #84
When is the right to live going to be more important than the right to take one? liberal N proud May 2014 #55
We need MORE and BIGGER guns randys1 May 2014 #56
We need MORE and BIGGER knives. And cars Eleanors38 May 2014 #61
It makes it a little harder for them Duckhunter935 May 2014 #70
I misread it then, sorry, thought he shot a bunch of people randys1 May 2014 #76
so how do you confiscate the 300 odd million Duckhunter935 May 2014 #85
very patiently and over many years same way you create jobs with protectionism randys1 May 2014 #112
I'll bet smallcat88 May 2014 #62
Already started exboyfil May 2014 #66
That figures smallcat88 May 2014 #69
Not a member of NRA, nor do I desire to be. One thing is sure: Eleanors38 May 2014 #78
there is one problem with this and you actually mentioned it bossy22 May 2014 #86
If you love your kids, move to Australia or UK Dems to Win May 2014 #63
I wish smallcat88 May 2014 #67
you do realize that gun deaths have been steadily decreasing in this country bossy22 May 2014 #80
You do realize there are about 50 gun murders in UK, 8500+ in US every year. Dems to Win May 2014 #99
what about those in the UK that die from other weapons bossy22 May 2014 #100
And I am sure- marew May 2014 #123
Guns are made to kill locks May 2014 #68
Mine must have problems Duckhunter935 May 2014 #71
advice- be careful of using that argument bossy22 May 2014 #79
Unless they're like those I own... ileus May 2014 #93
There are at least 350 million guns in the US locks May 2014 #118
... napkinz May 2014 #95
he was a good guy with a gun until ... napkinz May 2014 #96
that is the dumbest political soundbite bossy22 May 2014 #101
It's time to join the civilized world and repeal the 2nd mwrguy May 2014 #103
+1 Dems to Win May 2014 #109
Which 38 states do you think would ratify such a repeal? LAGC May 2014 #133
This was on Reddit...Post title is below OnlinePoker May 2014 #129
NRA the enabler ... napkinz May 2014 #136
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