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In reply to the discussion: Yes, Nader cost Al Gore the presidency in 2000. [View all]merrily
(45,251 posts)278. I'll take it up with both of you, because you went along with the idea
that corporatism could be a single issue. It affects everything from trade policy to campaign finance to lobbying to the environment to fiscal policy, to our militarism, and on and on.
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Exactly, Nader is a Republican diversion. I can't believe people still spew these lies. n/t
A Simple Game
Jul 2014
#198
Still stolen and that is the crime and should be the focus rather than seen as secondary.
TheKentuckian
Jul 2014
#292
The fact that you hated Gore kind of says more than you might have intended it too. nt
el_bryanto
Jul 2014
#371
In case this is an attempt to bully people into supporting Hillary Clinton, count me out.
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#250
And Gore would have gotten those votes if he had geared his choice of vice president
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#293
Nope, Nader LIED to naive supporters like I was. "Not a dime's worth of difference", remember?
MH1
Jul 2014
#359
It's simple-minded stupidity to assume that all of those votes would have gone to Gore instead.
Spider Jerusalem
Jul 2014
#14
Not all, but most, and enough to avoid a recount. It's not stupidity, it's what polls suggested.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#21
The best analysis I've seen suggests that Nader voters would have gone about 60-40 Dem.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#38
And most of the socialist/workers' party votes would probably have gone to Gore as well.
Spider Jerusalem
Jul 2014
#44
At 60-40, Nader's vote had far more influence than the Socialist party votes would have.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#51
The analyses I've seen suggest that Nader voters would have gone about 60-40 for Gore.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#238
Gore's inability to make a compelling argument to the contrary isn't Nader's fault.
Spider Jerusalem
Jul 2014
#172
Good point about serving to excuse Gore's shortcomings and the malfeasance of the Republicans.
A Simple Game
Jul 2014
#313
Yes, events can have multiple causes. Nader was a big one, but there are others.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#18
There is always noise. But Nader wasn't noise. Nader was signal, and in the wrong direction.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#19
Dems who voted for Nader are a problem. Those who voted for Bush are not a problem?
eridani
Jul 2014
#381
"Nader is 'supposed' to be on our side". The same could be said about Gore.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2014
#8
Gore lost because he could not get a majority of the voters in his home state to vote for him.
Jenoch
Jul 2014
#15
What Pins The Culpability On Nader, Sir, Is That He Was The Novel Factor
The Magistrate
Jul 2014
#374
One reason that identifying the Nader factor is helpful is to prevent something like this
DanTex
Jul 2014
#45
So your solution to the claim that the Dems are too corporatist is to drag out the boogeyman?
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#72
Every time we lessen that difference, we shoot ourselves in the foot.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#105
Single-issue corporatism voters would have been much better served by a Gore presidency.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#113
"Single-issue corporatism voters would have been much better served by a Gore presidency"
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#163
Of course. All the more reason that arguing that Bush and Gore were the same was stupid.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#183
in the time line of events happening Nader happened first so It is hard put to make him last.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#109
The existence of other factors doesn't change the fact that, if Nader was not on the ballot,
DanTex
Jul 2014
#27
So why not start another thread about all the other factors? Why is this ONE factor, THE factor?
progressoid
Jul 2014
#202
If this is a team sport, what do we do with those former Nader and Green voters?
progressoid
Jul 2014
#219
Few people at any point in the political spectrum would deny that. But if you feel guilty, you might
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#92
Nader was a contributing factor and I just don't get those who can't see that.
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#43
No kidding, but, funny, I missed all the DU threads about why he got so many votes.
merrily
Jul 2014
#82
Gore could have won his home state if he didn't have to spend so much time in other states that
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#90
Well, given that people are still making excuses for Nader and denying his role in 2000,
DanTex
Jul 2014
#57
Yes I see your point. What I shoukd have added is that because the race in the end was not razor
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#299
The Iraq War was only possible with an administration as hellbent on it as Bush's
Hippo_Tron
Jul 2014
#337
Let me put it this way. He wasn't inaugurated president. Without Nader, he would have been.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#96
Without Nader, it wouldn't have gone to the SCOTUS. Are you seriously denying that?
DanTex
Jul 2014
#119
Like I said, there are multiple causes (did you read the OP?). Nader is (obviously) one reason.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#133
Your thread title blames one person for 2000. You give lip service to the rest of the reasons
Rex
Jul 2014
#169
I did, but Nader did not cost Gore the Presidency...he actually WON the office he ran for.
Rex
Jul 2014
#186
It's also funny watching people pretend he was the President from 2001-2009. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#93
Some DUers carry water for the NSA, so it shouldn't surprise you too much...[n/t]
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#228
Just like the "Reagan Democrats" jumped ship and put Ronnie in the White House,
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#239
If we had election rules like Australia does with instant runoff voting, Nader wouldn't matter...
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#73
we dont even rate recounts, just try to get one for important "close calls" like Prop 37 in CA
reddread
Jul 2014
#76
And Nader could have gotten more "first round" votes and Gore still would have won...
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#84
I'd certainly favor instant runoff voting. If nothing else, it would save the time and
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#83
Tell me about it. I always expect to see tumbleweeds at runoffs for municipal elections. n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#110
Which is why I'm starting to hate the open primary initiatives on Oregon's ballot this year...
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#181
If Gore had picked a better running mate, less Democrats would have voted for Nader
corkhead
Jul 2014
#75
LOL. Actually, I think posting a link to a google search says "I got nothin" pretty darn well!!
DanTex
Jul 2014
#136
over the actual Democrat because Bill Clinton supports the non-Democrat and others
reddread
Jul 2014
#114
Howard Dean taking over the DNC in late 2004 saved the country from a deep slide into the abyss
DFW
Jul 2014
#122
Kerry really wanted to more powerfully respond ( he did in some way but media didn't recorded it)
mylye2222
Jul 2014
#167
Yeah, I was dumbfounded that nobody stood up for him in 2004 and let the slander continue.
Rex
Jul 2014
#173
Yes our system very clearly is ONLY for two parties, and he should have known that huh!
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#141
But how could you not feel the same about any third party candidate that is a spoiler in other races
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#203
I think there were several causes as to why Gore lost but that is one of them
LynneSin
Jul 2014
#123
Voting for the candidate you believe best represents you is called "democracy", not "sabotage".
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#273
Ralph Nader said "There is not a dime's worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats.
world wide wally
Jul 2014
#200
Both. If Nader hadn't run, Nader voters would mostly have gone to Gore, giving him FL
DanTex
Jul 2014
#214
I agree about stupid voters. But Nader isn't stupid. He knew what he was doing,
DanTex
Jul 2014
#237
In which states did the minority that voted for Nader tip the election to Bush?
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#217
I bet that the Bush government in Florida would have rigged the election for GWB in any event.
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#262
True. He had the option of sabotaging the Democrats. And that's the option he chose.
DanTex
Jul 2014
#279
If Buchanan hadn't run, there might not have even been a move towards recounts too....
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#252
Although if Gore had been able to win Tennessee, the whole Florida recount and Nader voters
4lbs
Jul 2014
#343
Completely agree. It was never Repubs Nader wanted to defeat. It was always Democrats.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#261
His running caused Gore some problems, but he also made highways a lot safer to drive too!
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#275
Yes, really. Without Nader taking votes away from Gore, there wouldn't have been
DanTex
Jul 2014
#296
+Thank You Dan...I will tell my story one more time, the most liberal person in America, just about
randys1
Jul 2014
#304
Poor Nader.. we're just suppose to sweep him and tweedledum and tweedledee little self
Cha
Jul 2014
#338
While I voted for Gore, maybe he shouldn't have campaigned in "Centrist" mode, or did that LIEberman
blkmusclmachine
Jul 2014
#355