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Yes, Nader cost Al Gore the presidency in 2000. [View all] DanTex Jul 2014 OP

Well said. Thanks. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #1

Badly said. AL GORE won the election fasttense Jul 2014 #176

Exactly, Nader is a Republican diversion. I can't believe people still spew these lies. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2014 #198

I can, there is an election coming up. zeemike Jul 2014 #213

People need a scapegoat. Nader fits the bill. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2014 #218

The Election wouldn't have been close enough to steal without Nader. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #257

Still stolen and that is the crime and should be the focus rather than seen as secondary. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #292

Neither uncomfortable nor accurate. merrily Jul 2014 #322

The fix was in no matter what Nader did or did not do. fasttense Jul 2014 #361

This assumes that Nader's votes would have been votes for Gore... elzenmahn Jul 2014 #365

The fact that you hated Gore kind of says more than you might have intended it too. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #371

I'm fully aware of what I said... elzenmahn Jul 2014 #376

Recced with a kick MohRokTah Jul 2014 #2

Which states would Gore have won if Nader had not taken votes? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #225

Florida would have been enough by itself. JPZenger Jul 2014 #234

In case this is an attempt to bully people into supporting Hillary Clinton, count me out. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #250

Floriduh. nt WhiteTara Jul 2014 #287

And Gore would have gotten those votes if he had geared his choice of vice president JDPriestly Jul 2014 #293

Thanks, most excellent post - eom dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #356

Definitely agree... DoctorRobert Jul 2014 #373

Big ol' kick and and Rec. riqster Jul 2014 #3

No, he really didn't. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #4

Nader bucks the system and they hate him for that Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #5

Nope, Nader LIED to naive supporters like I was. "Not a dime's worth of difference", remember? MH1 Jul 2014 #359

Yes he did. DanTex Jul 2014 #12

It's simple-minded stupidity to assume that all of those votes would have gone to Gore instead. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #14

Not all, but most, and enough to avoid a recount. It's not stupidity, it's what polls suggested. DanTex Jul 2014 #21

No, it isn't: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #31

The best analysis I've seen suggests that Nader voters would have gone about 60-40 Dem. DanTex Jul 2014 #38

And most of the socialist/workers' party votes would probably have gone to Gore as well. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #44

At 60-40, Nader's vote had far more influence than the Socialist party votes would have. DanTex Jul 2014 #51

A lot of people would have just stayed home because merrily Jul 2014 #325

If more people were like Nader we would be far better off as a country. jtuck004 Jul 2014 #348

You're welcome. merrily Jul 2014 #351

I should have said merrily Jul 2014 #349

Yep dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #357

AL GORE WON the election, don't buy into the RepubliCON spin fasttense Jul 2014 #142

it appears they are selling it reddread Jul 2014 #185

Trying to sell it, anyway. merrily Jul 2014 #326

terrorism has no grip on me reddread Jul 2014 #334

Cowards die a thousand deaths while the brave die only once. merrily Jul 2014 #336

Yes, but it absolved Democrats from any culpability whatsoever. vi5 Jul 2014 #327

You assume that Nader voters would have voted for Gore. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #236

The analyses I've seen suggest that Nader voters would have gone about 60-40 for Gore. DanTex Jul 2014 #238

Let's pretend there was no Nader on the ballot. jeff47 Jul 2014 #16

Not likely at all actually. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #29

Reading. It's a nice thing to try sometimes. jeff47 Jul 2014 #41

I did read Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #56

I'm not saying they don't have the right to do so jeff47 Jul 2014 #62

Essentially, you are. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #104

People have the right to make decisions I don't like. jeff47 Jul 2014 #130

Gore's inability to make a compelling argument to the contrary isn't Nader's fault. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #172

And as I said above, Nader was one piece of the puzzle. jeff47 Jul 2014 #179

Good point about serving to excuse Gore's shortcomings and the malfeasance of the Republicans. A Simple Game Jul 2014 #313

On another thread, Jeff347 accused me of not reading in merrily Jul 2014 #207

"Vote like an idealist in primaries." merrily Jul 2014 #32

Nope, not a joke. jeff47 Jul 2014 #47

Okay, then disingenous. merrily Jul 2014 #71

Nope. jeff47 Jul 2014 #117

This is another lie, Jeff merrily Jul 2014 #190

Then why bring them up? jeff47 Jul 2014 #215

You already settled that to your own satisfaction, Jeff347. merrily Jul 2014 #256

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2014 #345

Nader cost Gore votes and Gore had to adjust his campaign because of him. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #37

Yes, he really did. gcomeau Jul 2014 #127

AL Gore DID WIN THE ELECTION fasttense Jul 2014 #129

Also more democrats voted Glaisne Jul 2014 #153

A friend of mine is an example of that. thucythucy Jul 2014 #221

What bullshit*... lame54 Jul 2014 #6

Yes, events can have multiple causes. Nader was a big one, but there are others. DanTex Jul 2014 #18

dream on reddread Jul 2014 #35

Don't necessarily disagree rpannier Jul 2014 #354

PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #121

^^^this^^^ progressoid Jul 2014 #194

Spot on. wundermaus Jul 2014 #208

hell, when it's that close, you could argue that bad sushi cost us the election unblock Jul 2014 #7

There is always noise. But Nader wasn't noise. Nader was signal, and in the wrong direction. DanTex Jul 2014 #19

Dems who voted for Nader are a problem. Those who voted for Bush are not a problem? eridani Jul 2014 #381

I subscribe to your explanation. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #134

Damned evil sushi. I knew it! merrily Jul 2014 #178

"Nader is 'supposed' to be on our side". The same could be said about Gore. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #8

This has been your daily pragmatic two-minutes of hate bobduca Jul 2014 #9

You forgot the photo leftstreet Jul 2014 #13

Boo Hiss! bobduca Jul 2014 #25

Where were you Tennessee, could have used you. . nt clarice Jul 2014 #10

Nope! He still didn't. Bush stole it with help from Harris and 5 justices. morningfog Jul 2014 #11

Exactly fasttense Jul 2014 #151

Gore lost because he could not get a majority of the voters in his home state to vote for him. Jenoch Jul 2014 #15

No he didn't. nt City Lights Jul 2014 #17

I went out of my way to say that it wasn't all Nader's fault. DanTex Jul 2014 #24

True, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #20

Remove any of the factors and the 536 votes go away. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #364

What Pins The Culpability On Nader, Sir, Is That He Was The Novel Factor The Magistrate Jul 2014 #374

Nader was among the last of the factors leading to Gore's defeat Orrex Jul 2014 #22

It depends what you mean by "chiefly responsible". DanTex Jul 2014 #30

As long as we allow a range of decisive factors, then I agree Orrex Jul 2014 #34

One reason that identifying the Nader factor is helpful is to prevent something like this DanTex Jul 2014 #45

If it gets out the vote, then I'm all in favor of it. Orrex Jul 2014 #50

So your solution to the claim that the Dems are too corporatist is to drag out the boogeyman? winter is coming Jul 2014 #72

I also feel that the Democrats are too corporatist. DanTex Jul 2014 #77

Every time we lessen that difference, we shoot ourselves in the foot. winter is coming Jul 2014 #105

Single-issue corporatism voters would have been much better served by a Gore presidency. DanTex Jul 2014 #113

"Single-issue corporatism voters would have been much better served by a Gore presidency" winter is coming Jul 2014 #163

And the Nader voters were wrong. DanTex Jul 2014 #174

Please tell me you know corporatism is not a single issue, but affects all. merrily Jul 2014 #175

Of course. All the more reason that arguing that Bush and Gore were the same was stupid. DanTex Jul 2014 #183

Huh? Then why did you say "Of course?" when I posted merrily Jul 2014 #266

I agree that corporatism affects many issues. DanTex Jul 2014 #271

I'll take it up with both of you, because you went along with the idea merrily Jul 2014 #278

I agree with you. DanTex Jul 2014 #280

I don't know that. Neither do you. No one can know it. merrily Jul 2014 #283

We can be pretty confident of it, based on where the two stood on the issues. DanTex Jul 2014 #284

Sorry, but, only in your imagination, can you be confident. merrily Jul 2014 #291

Corporatism is not a single issue. Please see Reply 278. merrily Jul 2014 #281

True enough. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #282

Hello! My voter registration is not a marriage vow. merrily Jul 2014 #149

+1. I'm a member, not a captive, of the Democratic party. winter is coming Jul 2014 #171

in the time line of events happening Nader happened first so It is hard put to make him last. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #109

Al Gore won the vote fasttense Jul 2014 #184

Poorly constructed and self-contradictory position. Orsino Jul 2014 #23

The existence of other factors doesn't change the fact that, if Nader was not on the ballot, DanTex Jul 2014 #27

Stupid sophistry. Orsino Jul 2014 #33

It's not sophistry, it's factual. DanTex Jul 2014 #40

So why not start another thread about all the other factors? Why is this ONE factor, THE factor? progressoid Jul 2014 #202

Well, I haven't seen anyone on DU defend Scalia or Thomas or Katherine Harris. DanTex Jul 2014 #204

If this is a team sport, what do we do with those former Nader and Green voters? progressoid Jul 2014 #219

We vote for liberal candidates in primaries. DanTex Jul 2014 #222

Like Kucinich? Because, as it turned out, he was the only merrily Jul 2014 #305

Liberal isn't an all-or-nothing thing. There are degrees. DanTex Jul 2014 #308

I wouldn't know. I'm not a liberal. I'm a traditional Democrat. merrily Jul 2014 #310

Dupe. Self delete (even though saying it twice might help.) merrily Jul 2014 #311

No real Democrat denies the damage Nader did. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #26

lol reddread Jul 2014 #39

Few people at any point in the political spectrum would deny that. But if you feel guilty, you might stevenleser Jul 2014 #92

No real Scotsman denies the damage Nader did. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #347

No true Scotsman uses the phrase "real Scotsman." Orsino Jul 2014 #380

Exactly mcar Jul 2014 #28

The problem is nothing is "somehow a good thing for liberal causes." merrily Jul 2014 #36

there are a lot of SCOTUS crimes to cover up this week reddread Jul 2014 #42

exactly. bbgrunt Jul 2014 #260

I'm not sure what you mean. DanTex Jul 2014 #61

Nader was a contributing factor and I just don't get those who can't see that. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #43

So 14 years later, we would still rather demonize Nader than merrily Jul 2014 #49

You can do both at the same time. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #54

No kidding, but, funny, I missed all the DU threads about why he got so many votes. merrily Jul 2014 #82

Gore could have won his home state if he didn't have to spend so much time in other states that hrmjustin Jul 2014 #90

Pulled that Gore bit about winning his home state right out of your elbow. merrily Jul 2014 #100

There is no need to be rude. I said I because it is true. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #111

I wasn't rude. I pointed out that your claim had no basis. merrily Jul 2014 #137

your putting words in my mouth. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #144

oh, so you fudged it, but I'm to blame for putting words in your mouth. merrily Jul 2014 #158

Nader did damage to himself. it is his own fault. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #160

Please see Reply 158. Thanks. merrily Jul 2014 #170

My apologies if I got too argumentative. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #189

Not too argumentative. I, of all people, have no problem with merrily Jul 2014 #199

Well, given that people are still making excuses for Nader and denying his role in 2000, DanTex Jul 2014 #57

Yeah because anyone who supported Nader supported slavery bobduca Jul 2014 #63

Probably not slavery, but some of them probably supported Reaganomics. DanTex Jul 2014 #66

I voted Gore and Kerry, not Nader. But these threads are ludicrous. merrily Jul 2014 #108

Yeah I voted for Gore too bobduca Jul 2014 #126

Not everyone, but I'm sure some are. merrily Jul 2014 #195

Al Gore won the election fasttense Jul 2014 #192

Hello, preacher. Choir, here. merrily Jul 2014 #216

Did the GOPers do this with Ross Perot? leftstreet Jul 2014 #68

92 and 96 were not close. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #165

Not close only because Perot was in the race. merrily Jul 2014 #295

Yes I see your point. What I shoukd have added is that because the race in the end was not razor hrmjustin Jul 2014 #299

Again, a state by state analysis would be required to see merrily Jul 2014 #300

Perot "cost" Bush the popular vote. merrily Jul 2014 #319

Ross Perot split votes evenly between Clinton and Bush... Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #332

Gore ran a lousy campaign and choose a lousy running mate WI_DEM Jul 2014 #46

It is called an election and Gore failed to win those betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #48

Gore would have been much better for progressive goals than Bush. DanTex Jul 2014 #74

Yeah, yeah. Lesser of two evils. Got it. zzzzzz merrily Jul 2014 #116

Gore was the better of the two candidates. By far. DanTex Jul 2014 #124

What you don't seem to grasp, is that you attack Bush for what he merrily Jul 2014 #297

One of the fallacies I often see pushed is embedded in your logic BootinUp Jul 2014 #306

Over 100,000 Iraqis would be alive, I'd call that MUCH LESSER of two evils Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #333

Remind me: How did DLC types, like Lieberman and Clinton, merrily Jul 2014 #335

The Iraq War was only possible with an administration as hellbent on it as Bush's Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #337

But, it had the full throated support of the DLC types, of which merrily Jul 2014 #339

this extremely LAME bogyman is making the propaganda circuits again.. 2banon Jul 2014 #52

people who blame Nader do not believe in democracy noiretextatique Jul 2014 #377

Yes, that was the immediate revelation at the time.. 2banon Jul 2014 #379

It is funny watching people pretend Al Gore didn't win the 2000 election. Rex Jul 2014 #53

He didn't win the presidency. But without Nader, he would have. DanTex Jul 2014 #64

Yes he did he won the popular vote and won the election. Rex Jul 2014 #67

Let me put it this way. He wasn't inaugurated president. Without Nader, he would have been. DanTex Jul 2014 #96

Not true at all, not even close. Rex Jul 2014 #101

Of course it's true. DanTex Jul 2014 #107

Once again not true at all. All Gore won the election by popular vote Rex Jul 2014 #112

Without Nader, it wouldn't have gone to the SCOTUS. Are you seriously denying that? DanTex Jul 2014 #119

Without 300k democratic voters it would have never gone to the SCOTUS. Rex Jul 2014 #128

Like I said, there are multiple causes (did you read the OP?). Nader is (obviously) one reason. DanTex Jul 2014 #133

Well anyone that believed Nader in 2000 was niave. Rex Jul 2014 #139

Again, if you read the OP, I recognize that there are multiple causes. DanTex Jul 2014 #152

Your thread title blames one person for 2000. You give lip service to the rest of the reasons Rex Jul 2014 #169

That's why it's good to read the whole OP. DanTex Jul 2014 #182

I did, but Nader did not cost Gore the Presidency...he actually WON the office he ran for. Rex Jul 2014 #186

It's also funny watching people pretend he was the President from 2001-2009. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #93

Examples? Rex Jul 2014 #106

lol, so true. nt BootinUp Jul 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jul 2014 #188

GOLDSTEIN!!! frylock Jul 2014 #55

Stupid threads like this always remind me of this quote: Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2014 #58

No he did not abelenkpe Jul 2014 #59

Gore lost because of a Republican Coup d'etat rickyhall Jul 2014 #60

Hilariously wrong. MNBrewer Jul 2014 #65

It's funny watching 'DUers' carry water for the GOP. Rex Jul 2014 #69

Some DUers carry water for the NSA, so it shouldn't surprise you too much...[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2014 #228

Gosh, it seems to be the same people. Rex Jul 2014 #232

Just like the "Reagan Democrats" jumped ship and put Ronnie in the White House, Maedhros Jul 2014 #239

BINGO! Rex Jul 2014 #248

it's like an exercise in collective guilt frylock Jul 2014 #352

can you do it standing on one leg? reddread Jul 2014 #70

If we had election rules like Australia does with instant runoff voting, Nader wouldn't matter... cascadiance Jul 2014 #73

we dont even rate recounts, just try to get one for important "close calls" like Prop 37 in CA reddread Jul 2014 #76

I agree completely. We should have IRV. DanTex Jul 2014 #79

And Nader could have gotten more "first round" votes and Gore still would have won... cascadiance Jul 2014 #84

Yup. With IRV, Gore would have won. DanTex Jul 2014 #87

I'd certainly favor instant runoff voting. If nothing else, it would save the time and winter is coming Jul 2014 #83

And greater voter participation in the "runoff" than standard runoffs get. cascadiance Jul 2014 #88

Tell me about it. I always expect to see tumbleweeds at runoffs for municipal elections. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #110

Which is why I'm starting to hate the open primary initiatives on Oregon's ballot this year... cascadiance Jul 2014 #181

If Gore had picked a better running mate, less Democrats would have voted for Nader corkhead Jul 2014 #75

Well, that's democracy. marybourg Jul 2014 #78

I've learned that some Dems don't like democracy very much. Rex Jul 2014 #80

In that case, quit yer' bitchin' about everything else, too. DanTex Jul 2014 #86

just for you reddread Jul 2014 #98

Meh. If you have an argument to make, simply make it. DanTex Jul 2014 #102

nothing says "I got nothin" quite like "meh" reddread Jul 2014 #131

LOL. Actually, I think posting a link to a google search says "I got nothin" pretty darn well!! DanTex Jul 2014 #136

dont know ya, dont care reddread Jul 2014 #143

Personal attacks, calling me "stupid", etc. Like I said: meh. DanTex Jul 2014 #155

as I said, reading comprehension is essential n/t reddread Jul 2014 #162

That makes no sense. marybourg Jul 2014 #383

I personally blame Yoko. edbermac Jul 2014 #81

Oh yeah, vote for Lieberman! JEB Jul 2014 #85

This guy is a Dem nightmare! mylye2222 Jul 2014 #95

over the actual Democrat because Bill Clinton supports the non-Democrat and others reddread Jul 2014 #114

i AGREE mylye2222 Jul 2014 #89

Howard Dean taking over the DNC in late 2004 saved the country from a deep slide into the abyss DFW Jul 2014 #122

Yes, no matter how much the Nader-Egotists deny it you nailed it. we can do it Jul 2014 #91

I am a Florida Voter DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #94

Nader cost Gore some votes rock Jul 2014 #97

Actually AlbertCat Jul 2014 #99

I'll keep saying it: The PMRC lost it for Gore. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #103

The 2000 election was STOLEN. MASSIVELY and blatantly stolen... DesertDiamond Jul 2014 #115

and covered up, right here, even now, to the best of their ability reddread Jul 2014 #125

I guess they seem to inadvertently like to carrying the GOPs water around. Rex Jul 2014 #135

Both 2000 AND 2004 where massivly stolen. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #140

Yeah and there are STILL (funny it is the same people on here) that pretend vote Rex Jul 2014 #146

Thanks for this response, Rex! mylye2222 Jul 2014 #150

Oh man, I remember doing a million facepalms as Kerry sat by and watched the GOP Rex Jul 2014 #159

Kerry really wanted to more powerfully respond ( he did in some way but media didn't recorded it) mylye2222 Jul 2014 #167

Yeah, I was dumbfounded that nobody stood up for him in 2004 and let the slander continue. Rex Jul 2014 #173

I have the SAME HIGH DOUBT as yours!!!!!!!! mylye2222 Jul 2014 #180

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2014 #118

lol nt BootinUp Jul 2014 #147

Thank you for stating clearly. It's amazing so many people on here lack HERVEPA Jul 2014 #120

Yes our system very clearly is ONLY for two parties, and he should have known that huh! cascadiance Jul 2014 #141

Ralph ran and doing so caused irreparable harm HERVEPA Jul 2014 #157

So you are saying that ANY third party could cause irreparable harm then? cascadiance Jul 2014 #168

Read my fucking post. HERVEPA Jul 2014 #187

But how could you not feel the same about any third party candidate that is a spoiler in other races cascadiance Jul 2014 #203

In some cases third parties may have an influence. HERVEPA Jul 2014 #211

I think there were several causes as to why Gore lost but that is one of them LynneSin Jul 2014 #123

GORE DID NOT LOSE. HE WON THE ELECTION. DON'T BUY THE LIES fasttense Jul 2014 #138

Point taken. I should have said "lost". And btw Kerry "lost" too LynneSin Jul 2014 #148

And he would have had a PUBLIC recount op, mylye2222 Jul 2014 #154

Gore.Didint.Lost.He .Was.Robbed.Period. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #145

Exactly. fasttense Jul 2014 #161

As a person that has never voted for a third party candidate tiredtoo Jul 2014 #156

The way to pull the Dems to the left is via primaries. DanTex Jul 2014 #166

Voting for the candidate you believe best represents you is called "democracy", not "sabotage". winter is coming Jul 2014 #273

Nader was the one doing the sabotage, not the voters. DanTex Jul 2014 #276

"base." wyldwolf Jul 2014 #191

it apears you forgot tiredtoo Jul 2014 #315

No I didn't wyldwolf Jul 2014 #318

Yes, EXACTLY. BootinUp Jul 2014 #164

agree but what about Clinton? ALBliberal Jul 2014 #177

ML? wyldwolf Jul 2014 #193

Monica Lewinsky sorry! ALBliberal Jul 2014 #197

Polling proved "ML" didn't hurt Clinton or the Dem brand at all wyldwolf Jul 2014 #201

Then Gore should have campaigned with Clinton ALBliberal Jul 2014 #220

I said it then and I'll say it now...I will NEVER forgive Nader KauaiK Jul 2014 #196

Ralph Nader said "There is not a dime's worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats. world wide wally Jul 2014 #200

That line wouldn't have worked unless people believed it. Maedhros Jul 2014 #241

Instead we get "I agree with Governor Bush". TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #375

the 43 going on 44 million dumb asses who voted for dipshit Cosmocat Jul 2014 #205

God damn that Ralph Nader for giving some voters what they thought hughee99 Jul 2014 #206

Yes, we did need those stupid people to vote for Gore. DanTex Jul 2014 #210

So is it Nader's fault or the people that voted for him? hughee99 Jul 2014 #212

Both. If Nader hadn't run, Nader voters would mostly have gone to Gore, giving him FL DanTex Jul 2014 #214

Personally, I blame stupid voters for making stupid votes. hughee99 Jul 2014 #231

I agree about stupid voters. But Nader isn't stupid. He knew what he was doing, DanTex Jul 2014 #237

Now that is REALLY scarey to think of... Thanks, Ralphie world wide wally Jul 2014 #270

Well they have their conscience bluestateguy Jul 2014 #223

Let's do some math bluestateguy Jul 2014 #209

In which states did the minority that voted for Nader tip the election to Bush? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #217

Umm... in Florida. DanTex Jul 2014 #226

I bet that the Bush government in Florida would have rigged the election for GWB in any event. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #262

Without Nader, Gore would have won by a recount-proof margin. DanTex Jul 2014 #265

NAFTA, GATT, DOMA, Welfare Reform were anathema to Liberals. Maedhros Jul 2014 #251

This is something you and I agree upon completely. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #224

No blame for elected Democrats JoeyT Jul 2014 #227

Wrong. It's surprising this idiotic meme still gets pushed. DirkGently Jul 2014 #229

Actually, you can infer what Nader voters would have done. DanTex Jul 2014 #235

None of that GUESSING makes Nader the "cause" of anything. DirkGently Jul 2014 #253

Polls and statistics aren't "guessing". DanTex Jul 2014 #259

That is the job of the party and its candidates. NOT the voters. DirkGently Jul 2014 #264

Of course it's sabotage. DanTex Jul 2014 #268

It was not incumbent on Nader to protect Democrats. DirkGently Jul 2014 #274

True. He had the option of sabotaging the Democrats. And that's the option he chose. DanTex Jul 2014 #279

Plain silly. It's not "sabotage" to run OR to vote. DirkGently Jul 2014 #301

Of course it's sabotage. DanTex Jul 2014 #302

Of course it wasn't "sabotage." DirkGently Jul 2014 #312

I'm not saying it's "incumbent on Nader" to help Gore win. DanTex Jul 2014 #314

Funny watching some Dems show their true hatred for democracy. Rex Jul 2014 #307

It's a take on party loyalty I can't get behind either. DirkGently Jul 2014 #316

I think you have it right and I am just being a snarker. Rex Jul 2014 #317

Oh, I totally agree it's anti-(d)emocratic. DirkGently Jul 2014 #320

Oh my! Emocratic...THAT one is getting added to the lexicon. Rex Jul 2014 #321

^^ Thread win. winter is coming Jul 2014 #277

SCOTUS Cost Gore The Election cantbeserious Jul 2014 #230

Interesting logic. davidthegnome Jul 2014 #233

Yes, Nader took away votes from Gore, obviously. DanTex Jul 2014 #242

If Buchanan hadn't run, there might not have even been a move towards recounts too.... cascadiance Jul 2014 #252

Some Dems do not like democracy when it inconveniences them. Rex Jul 2014 #243

Well said. CanSocDem Jul 2014 #255

Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee. 4lbs Jul 2014 #240

Good point. And without Nader, Gore would have become the first president to DanTex Jul 2014 #245

Although if Gore had been able to win Tennessee, the whole Florida recount and Nader voters 4lbs Jul 2014 #343

silly H2O Man Jul 2014 #244

I disagree. lol DanTex Jul 2014 #246

No pothos Jul 2014 #247

Yes! He did! DanTex Jul 2014 #249

What about that bastard John Hagelin?!??!?!?!11! klook Jul 2014 #254

it's posts like this that bbgrunt Jul 2014 #258

Looks like you're not quite as good at ignoring threads as you claim. DanTex Jul 2014 #263

I was thinking the same thing. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #272

Completely agree. It was never Repubs Nader wanted to defeat. It was always Democrats. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #261

No he didn't rock Jul 2014 #267

No he didn't rock Jul 2014 #269

His running caused Gore some problems, but he also made highways a lot safer to drive too! cascadiance Jul 2014 #275

+1 beerandjesus Jul 2014 #288

Shame on you for your hatred of democracy. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #285

What? Hatred of democracy? DanTex Jul 2014 #286

I read your post, you can read mine. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #289

Ok, on second thought, maybe I came down on you a little hard.... beerandjesus Jul 2014 #290

+1 Rex Jul 2014 #303

Really? Personal Damon Jul 2014 #294

Yes, really. Without Nader taking votes away from Gore, there wouldn't have been DanTex Jul 2014 #296

No, not really Personal Damon Jul 2014 #298

+Thank You Dan...I will tell my story one more time, the most liberal person in America, just about randys1 Jul 2014 #304

Stupid hats? Okay, how about crazy pants? davidthegnome Jul 2014 #369

Kick & Rec. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #309

stupid...and tragically wrong noiretextatique Jul 2014 #323

Yes you do. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #328

amazing how many people are willing to minimize Nader's involvement Skittles Jul 2014 #324

kick & recommended. William769 Jul 2014 #329

One word: Tennessee lordsummerisle Jul 2014 #330

I voted for Nader in 2000 jimlup Jul 2014 #331

Poor Nader.. we're just suppose to sweep him and tweedledum and tweedledee little self Cha Jul 2014 #338

Oh no, I am having a Deja Moo moment from this. RoccoR5955 Jul 2014 #340

yeah, and the Martians caused the fall of Rome MisterP Jul 2014 #341

I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome caused Gore to lose the election. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #366

Kick! Cha Jul 2014 #342

...along with a lot of other stupid fuckers, including Gore himself. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #344

Like HELL! burrowowl Jul 2014 #346

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2014 #350

Few things rpannier Jul 2014 #353

While I voted for Gore, maybe he shouldn't have campaigned in "Centrist" mode, or did that LIEberman blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #355

I might argue that Joe Lieberman cost Gore the election, but not Nader. Scuba Jul 2014 #358

I Nader-tradered Bickle Jul 2014 #360

this tired bullshit meme again? blackspade Jul 2014 #362

Time to make like a bridge and get over it. Daemonaquila Jul 2014 #363

Thanks for your input. Alkene Jul 2014 #367

scape·goat (skpgt) n. 1. One that is made to bear the blame of others.* rhett o rick Jul 2014 #368

Another Blame Ralph thread? HoosierRadical Jul 2014 #370

And do we blame Nader for corporate takeover of the Democratic Party? raindaddy Jul 2014 #372

SCOTUS deserves ALL the blame noiretextatique Jul 2014 #378

Well, that's the thing about democracy, I suppose. stone space Jul 2014 #382