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In reply to the discussion: Beyonce labeled partly "Anti-Feminist" and a "terrorist" by feminist scholar [View all]rocktivity
(44,573 posts)35. DING DING DING! WorseBeforeBetter and KittyWampus, you're our grand prize winners!
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WorseBeforeBetter:
Madonna opened the floodgates around when, 1984? Since those early MTV years we've been "treated" to Britney, Beyonce, Rihanna, Miley, Katy, Nicki, etc. I don't consider any of them to have truly impressive voices. But for Britney, I'd say all of these women are in control.
Madonna opened the floodgates around when, 1984? Since those early MTV years we've been "treated" to Britney, Beyonce, Rihanna, Miley, Katy, Nicki, etc. I don't consider any of them to have truly impressive voices. But for Britney, I'd say all of these women are in control.
KittyWampus:
(Being) depicted in her underwear and other provocative outfits and states of undress over the years...certainly helps her career...
(To) what degree (does) her success exist only because she allows herself to be used in a particular way(?)
(Being) depicted in her underwear and other provocative outfits and states of undress over the years...certainly helps her career...
(To) what degree (does) her success exist only because she allows herself to be used in a particular way(?)
To which I'd like to add what I wrote in the DU thread I started about Beyonce's Time cover:
Why SHOULDN'T Beyonce "come half dressed?" Coming half dressed is the way she BECAME "influential!"
...(I)t (made) perfect sense to feature more of Beyonce's body...her "influence" was GENERATED BY her body.
...(I)t (made) perfect sense to feature more of Beyonce's body...her "influence" was GENERATED BY her body.
MTV opened the floodgates with Madonna, drenching us in the notion that you don't need impressive vocals OR impressive music if you have impressive bodies, impressive wardrobes, impressive cinematography, and impressive publicists. Madonna started out as a "boy toy," and was last seen putting swastikas in her videos to generate attention.
There are two big disadvantages to being a video pop tart sensation. One is that sensations wear off, forcing you to stay competitive by placing a premium on evolving visually rather than artistically. (Otherwise you end up dead in the water -- and ripe to be traded in for a younger model.) And, of course, you also have to put up with being seen as a blight on women who are striving to be seen as "serious" about their work.
Consequently, I find Hook's talk of terrorism, imperialism, anti-feminism and visual assault to be the equivalent of swatting a fly with a heat-seeking missile. She's right about the capitalist patriarchy of the entertainment business being the root of the problem, but she's wrong to see it as the exclusive burden of black women. Its commandments are "Sex sells" and "Controversy sells" and "Do unto others as others have done unto others," none of which is news to Madonna, Britney, Miley, Katy, et cetera (Did you forget Lady Gaga, WorseBeforeBetter?).
They and Beyonce are just doing what it takes to maintain their fame, fortune and recording contracts. I don't believe they're interested in doing the alternative. And as for "control," I think it's safe to conclude that Miley is more interested in being the next Madonna than the next Adele!
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Beyonce labeled partly "Anti-Feminist" and a "terrorist" by feminist scholar [View all]
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
May 2014
OP
"are you going to imply all black people are bad because you don't like hooks' views on Beyoncé."
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
May 2014
#4
She was always a big draw at the bookstore I worked in in Washington, DC.
Comrade Grumpy
May 2014
#33
She may agree to being used and represented in that fashion… but what if she hadn't agreed
KittyWampus
May 2014
#15
Doesn't it help all their careers, save for a few who don't go that route?
WorseBeforeBetter
May 2014
#25
O'Reilly isn't fit to exist on the same planet as bell hooks. Thanks for bringing this round table
KittyWampus
May 2014
#13
I know you are a master of snark, but you inadvertently pointed to bell hooks argument.
KittyWampus
May 2014
#20
the shame is, there are legitimate issues mentioned but people are going to superficially
KittyWampus
May 2014
#19
Nuance and understanding what is actually being said isn't everyone's strong suit.
boston bean
May 2014
#24
DING DING DING! WorseBeforeBetter and KittyWampus, you're our grand prize winners!
rocktivity
Jul 2014
#35