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Gormy Cuss

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21. The movie sucked.

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 11:37 PM

Jul 2014

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The book was something else. Garp's mother was a rapist, even though the scene was presented as mutually beneficial by Irving. It was a different era.

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Does Anybody Else Have A Bad Taste In Their Mouths, Over Objections To Sexually Explicit Books ??? [View all] WillyT Jul 2014 OP

I think people discussing books is a good thing fishwax Jul 2014 #1

Well put. Totally agree. n/t TDale313 Jul 2014 #5

+++ uppityperson Jul 2014 #12

Right. What's wrong with people saying this book has bad writing and a lousy message? pnwmom Jul 2014 #19

I prefer Fanny Hill. A veritable fountain of info. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #28

my mom was a public librarian. She fought censorship. Given that, if you dont like a book roguevalley Jul 2014 #59

I agree 100%--if you don't like a book don't read it or see the movie. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #180

Agreed! The abuse and misogyny in 50 shades stems from this blatantly misogynistic book... Zorra Jul 2014 #159

The World According to Garp was erotica? bravenak Jul 2014 #2

Well Yeah... I Guess The First Chapter Or Two... But It Was More About A Male Author, Trying... WillyT Jul 2014 #3

Thank you. bravenak Jul 2014 #4

Thing Is... WillyT Jul 2014 #7

Oh, that's great!! bravenak Jul 2014 #8

They Made A Movie Out Of It... It Basically Failed... Even Though It Had Robin Williams In It... WillyT Jul 2014 #15

I loved that one! bravenak Jul 2014 #17

Read the book, it's a helluva lot better than the movie..... (nt) Paladin Jul 2014 #168

Thank you, I think I will. I love a well written tale.nt bravenak Jul 2014 #169

I read The World According to Garp when I was in college. Loved it--it had a lot of weird stuff Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #182

I was too young when i read it. bravenak Jul 2014 #188

That's the first book I read where I found myself mourning for the characters. Paladin Jul 2014 #193

The movie sucked. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #21

I loved Garp Atman Jul 2014 #73

World According to Garp had a break-out role for John Lithgow in it. It certainly did not fail in MADem Jul 2014 #29

Glen Close broke out as well Yavin4 Jul 2014 #161

HUme Cronyn and Jessica Tandy were great as usual, and I think that was Robin Williams' MADem Jul 2014 #194

Closed Minded uninformed FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #6

What's even more chilling... 99Forever Jul 2014 #9

Clearly you have no concept what censorship is BainsBane Jul 2014 #14

If you haven't read it, how can you form any good arguments? Quantess Jul 2014 #26

I have read the First Amendment BainsBane Jul 2014 #32

I have not read this novel, no. I don't go around praising it, nor trashing it. Quantess Jul 2014 #37

It's what people that think they are "morally superior" do. n/t 99Forever Jul 2014 #74

Comments like yours BainsBane Jul 2014 #119

You might think you can goad me into a back and forth with you. 99Forever Jul 2014 #192

How do you find confidence to endorse a condemnation of DUers BainsBane Jul 2014 #116

Yes, I admit that I am a bit judgmental about people who voice strong opinions over fictional books Quantess Jul 2014 #121

And I admit to being judgmental BainsBane Jul 2014 #127

"critique"...interesting word... pipoman Jul 2014 #96

They have BainsBane Jul 2014 #106

I have found i often disagree with movie critic's opinions pipoman Jul 2014 #113

Well, by all means. Go to the movie BainsBane Jul 2014 #118

I expect anyone claiming to offer a critique would know 1st hand pipoman Jul 2014 #128

They have BainsBane Jul 2014 #131

Probably, when it comes down to it... pipoman Jul 2014 #135

Well, then perhaps you shouldn't echo their talking points BainsBane Jul 2014 #157

Or perhaps those people should actually act like open minded liberals. .. pipoman Jul 2014 #160

Which is precisely why no one on DU giggled about the 2011 production of Atlas Shrugged... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #137

The same way we do with lots of other things? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #86

Anybody who wishes their opinion on the book to be taken seriously Quantess Jul 2014 #90

So you never discuss anything anyone else ever writes about Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #94

That's not exactly what I meant, and that is not the same thing as Quantess Jul 2014 #97

Censorship does suck, as does guessing about content. nt edgineered Jul 2014 #72

Yes if anybody were talking about censorship I'd be 100% against it el_bryanto Jul 2014 #115

Gamblers and talkers. edgineered Jul 2014 #146

Rick Santorum can go FUCK OFF! I would spray RAID bug spray on that P.O.S. Quantess Jul 2014 #10

I never got that taste in my mouth from a book, no jberryhill Jul 2014 #11

Look, nine times out of ten I'm not going to pick up a romance unless historylovr Jul 2014 #13

Really? 9 out of 10 you won't touch without explicit sex? tkmorris Jul 2014 #34

Well obviously I meant romances, historylovr Jul 2014 #41

The dispute is about whether the book depicts consensual sex or also invovles rape and assault. BainsBane Jul 2014 #16

I Here Ya... Yet... How Do We Know, Judge, And Discuss... UNTIL We've Read It ??? WillyT Jul 2014 #20

Yeah, but I ain't gonna read it BainsBane Jul 2014 #22

Then stop reviewing it/moralizing about it. Marr Jul 2014 #67

You expect evangelicals to stand up in opposition to rape? BainsBane Jul 2014 #71

You are talking about a book of fiction, for crying out loud. Marr Jul 2014 #138

Are you thinking of evangelical busy bodies screaming about Harry Potter books, perhaps? Quantess Jul 2014 #104

Not specifically, but sure-- the Harry Potter complaints would fit perfectly as well. Marr Jul 2014 #139

I've stayed out because I didn't read it as should EVERYONE that hasn't actually read it. Bonobo Jul 2014 #23

It's not the explicit part that's a problem. It's the glamorized rape, kidnapping, and violence pnwmom Jul 2014 #18

But That's My Point... We Were Told Not To Read Many Books ...Over The Last 50 To 60 Years... WillyT Jul 2014 #25

"Do the reading... THEN the criticizing." Beartracks Jul 2014 #43

You can get a general sense of whether a book might be worth reading, Quantess Jul 2014 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jul 2014 #203

Nobody here is saying don't read the book. Nobody. I really don't understand why you are saying this Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #46

No one has told you not to read the book. Many have expressed negative opinions about the Squinch Jul 2014 #79

This brave blogger read the book and does a chapter by chapter breakdown A Little Weird Jul 2014 #24

semi-pro sporking here MisterP Jul 2014 #44

That's a good one, as also is the other psot she links to - Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #87

Agreed A Little Weird Jul 2014 #100

Ha! I was just about to post that very link. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #111

I have found myself incredibly indifferent. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #27

I loved Garp! But it does glorify the rape MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #30

Why you shouldn't see the movie? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #88

I am firmly on the zappaman Jul 2014 #31

Where were all these dramatic threads when the frigging BOOK came out? Why is all the drama tied MADem Jul 2014 #33

Because The Book...Came Out WAY Before The Internet Was Created... WillyT Jul 2014 #38

No it didn't--I remember reading an article about women reading it while waiting to pick up their MADem Jul 2014 #42

Sorry... My Bad... Was Still Focusing On GARP... WillyT Jul 2014 #120

Garp was VERY edgy for the early eighties.... MADem Jul 2014 #144

Because most of us don't read crap so it is off our radar. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #62

But most of us go to crappy movies...? I don't think that logic is operative. MADem Jul 2014 #147

Exactly the question I asked. Few people actually seem to have read what they're criticizing. mainer Jul 2014 #78

And few people seem to have read what they are defending. It goes both ways. Squinch Jul 2014 #81

I think many of the "defenders" are "defending" on the basis of the First Amendment, not the MADem Jul 2014 #149

Though many here are crying "censorship!" against those who object to the book, I think if you look Squinch Jul 2014 #158

Well, I say this all the time--the solution to speech is more speech. MADem Jul 2014 #195

But there are some interesting issues being brought up, even though the subject of the discussion is Squinch Jul 2014 #205

Thank you for my laugh of the day in an overly-serious thread! MADem Jul 2014 #148

it's an election year and someone is pulling our strings ecstatic Jul 2014 #112

Hopefully the admins are taking notes... nt MADem Jul 2014 #150

The most important reason I didn't read the book and why I won't go see a movie based on it, Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #151

DUer mainer is in the industry, and reports to us that it is a "crime against the English language." MADem Jul 2014 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #35

I see some objection to explicit sex, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2014 #36

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #39

Read my response BainsBane Jul 2014 #53

Of course books and moivies have been portraying rape as a means of seduction for a very long time BainsBane Jul 2014 #52

I didn't say sit back and enjoy it... TreasonousBastard Jul 2014 #63

You said concern about rape BainsBane Jul 2014 #69

That's not what I said at all, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2014 #70

Society already and openly recognizes that Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #93

it's not objection to sexual explicity though Scootaloo Jul 2014 #40

Really WillyT? This a bullshit post. There is not one, NOT ONE person who has advocated Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #45

Hey LA.. One Of My Sister's Had A Boyfriend Kick Her Out Of His Corvette When She Wanted To End It.. WillyT Jul 2014 #49

Hey Willy. You are talking to a woman who was beaten and choked 'til near death by her husband... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #56

And... it's Either A Game With "Safe Words" Or IT IS Not... WillyT Jul 2014 #57

WTF? Sexual abuse was inspired by the pill? WTF? Please read it. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #58

And What If... A Woman Wanted To Pursue Her Own Fantasies ??? WillyT Jul 2014 #61

You didn't read it. Sit down, have your favorite morning beverage & then muse on why the "pathetic Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #64

Oh, Ana never signed the contract. Never. But Christian just plowed on through as if she had. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #60

This woman is not pathetic and weak Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #47

You can say that again. H2O Man Jul 2014 #132

This woman is not pathetic and weak. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #48

This woman is not pathetic and weak. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #50

This man is not pathetic and weak. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #51

This man is not pathetic and weak. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #54

Smacks of censorship, Catholic Church style, with their list of forbidden books, Cleita Jul 2014 #55

And those classic books are still being criticized. Heart of Darkness is a perfect example. kickitup Jul 2014 #84

This is a fascinating display, is it not? Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #126

Thank you for your post. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #153

Also, there is a reason these works are called FICTION, Cleita Jul 2014 #164

I have not seen anyone on DU3 advocate censorship. Have you? Please PM me the link. Thank you. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #165

Huh? Surely, you jest. eom Cleita Jul 2014 #172

I'd like those links also. And no. I'm not jesting. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #174

I guess you've been in a cave this past week. n/t Cleita Jul 2014 #177

Nope. And I have read and/or participated in every Shades of Grey thread. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #178

In fact I am quite the opposite and fully serious. Can you please, direct me to WHO on here said Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #176

You are the third person who is talking to me like I owe you something. Cleita Jul 2014 #181

How can I be in agreement with anything when I honestly I don't know what the fuck you Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #197

Censorship--I do not think that word means what you think it means Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #173

Yes, but if you remove those books from the shelf or stop Cleita Jul 2014 #175

And if I obtain multiple copies and hot-glue them all together, I will have a coffee table. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #183

It's not a hypothetical but a metaphor. Removing ideas on a website Cleita Jul 2014 #185

And no DUer has advocated removing ideas on any website in regards to Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #189

This is a hypothetical: If I continue this exchange with you, you will see the light. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #191

lol Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #202

+1 million Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #187

Then tell Skinner you want to abolish the jury system BainsBane Jul 2014 #124

amen. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #166

I have nothing against the jury system. Cleita Jul 2014 #184

hugs. i feel your viewpoint. NuttyFluffers Jul 2014 #204

I've only read excerpts and more than one hilarious synopsis Warpy Jul 2014 #65

That's right. If you censor something, it only serves to get people, especially young people, Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #190

I love Erotica. I read it and I write it. Coventina Jul 2014 #66

And no one on here has tried to ban it. That's pure strawman. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #95

I'll freely admit, I've been away for a few days and haven't been involved in this latest kerfluffle Coventina Jul 2014 #129

That has been interesting. historylovr Jul 2014 #201

Yes. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #68

I like these threads where DUers share lots of scandalous books to check out! IronLionZion Jul 2014 #75

Know any good ones? LongTomH Jul 2014 #186

Does anybody else have a bad taste in their mouth over the suggestion that people should not be Squinch Jul 2014 #76

The allegation that rape occurs in the book in question has already been disproven several times... brooklynite Jul 2014 #80

So they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions? In the interests of avoiding censorship? Squinch Jul 2014 #82

You don't need anyone's permission to voice your opinion IronLionZion Jul 2014 #98

No one has ever said anything about anyone needing anyone's permission to read the book. If Squinch Jul 2014 #102

"shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions" IronLionZion Jul 2014 #105

I see that you are taking a phrase from my post, but I don't know what you are trying to say Squinch Jul 2014 #108

I was merely supporting your right to voice your opinion IronLionZion Jul 2014 #110

Though that doesn't answer the original question of why you were thinking anyone was saying that Squinch Jul 2014 #114

Bullshit it has joeglow3 Jul 2014 #91

careful with the word = bullshit. just sayin' Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #167

In the less precise sense, no. Chan790 Jul 2014 #117

Have you read the book? Squinch Jul 2014 #156

Unfortunately. Probably 100 pages of it...it's awful. Chan790 Jul 2014 #171

The Two kinds of people. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #77

A little Lazarus Long is always welcome. Blue_Adept Jul 2014 #125

I think we've become more nuanced and thoughtful. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #83

Thank you. kickitup Jul 2014 #85

I have a bad taste in my mouth over people pretending the book causes rape LadyHawkAZ Jul 2014 #89

+1 NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #200

I'm not sure we have become so pathetically afraid and weak malaise Jul 2014 #92

lemme fix that for you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #99

I'm not interested in books that glamorize violence against women - TBF Jul 2014 #101

The complaint here is the same as against the song "Blurred Lines" gollygee Jul 2014 #103

Not unless they're advocating banning the book. MineralMan Jul 2014 #107

Not sure which objections you are referring to. merrily Jul 2014 #109

Can not believe ANY work by John Irving is mentioned in the same breath as EL James. Never mind your seaglass Jul 2014 #122

It's a tough old world when people criticize a book you've never read... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #123

Freedom of speech is not onecaliberal Jul 2014 #130

controvery here is not over explicitness steve2470 Jul 2014 #133

Is someone here lobbying the govt to ban certain books? NCTraveler Jul 2014 #134

I think you'll find that the author IS NO JAMES JOYCE, FGS. Are we not even to make literary WinkyDink Jul 2014 #136

Depends on the nature of the objections. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #140

"pathetically afraid and weak???" I call it having a moral conscience. alp227 Jul 2014 #141

Let me introduce you to the organization that fights this idiocy nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #142

What '50 shades of gray' is: apnu Jul 2014 #145

My hair? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #154

BEST post in this ENTIRE thread!!!!!!!! nt MADem Jul 2014 #196

And sadly true! (Thank you!) WinkyDink Jul 2014 #206

A little background on the publication mainer Jul 2014 #155

I never did like being told what I could and could not read. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #162

Nope. Everybody gets to have an opinion. MadrasT Jul 2014 #163

I am FAR from shy Aerows Jul 2014 #170

I think it's a coincidence that many of the same people were ecstatic over Iceland's porn ban Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #179

Is this about the "love=death" argument? If so, you might want to look to the 19th century CTyankee Jul 2014 #198

Yes. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #199