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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. Obama has us over a barrel.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:31 AM
Apr 2012

We either vote for the fascist Republicans or for him. This is a shameful situation.

The torture was illegal. It was a arguably crime. Since when is it a crime to expose crime within the government?

Why do you think his admin is doing this? I would really love to know. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #1
If we knew all of the dirty "war" secrets we'd be inclined to oppose military adventures abroad. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #5
Because they leaked classified information jeff47 Apr 2012 #6
They classify millions of documents that have nothing to do with the security of the nation. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #19
Go check the part between the parenthesis. jeff47 Apr 2012 #24
No, it's not hard to classify documents. fasttense Apr 2012 #36
You don't get to make up the reason jeff47 Apr 2012 #118
jeff47 dotymed Apr 2012 #42
You're giving a perfect example of "whistleblowers" who are wrong about what they're leaking. jeff47 Apr 2012 #113
Obviously you did not watch the video. dotymed Apr 2012 #202
Obviously, you didn't either. jeff47 Apr 2012 #206
How did I know who replied to my true post? dotymed Apr 2012 #222
Running around with an assault rifle in a war zone isn't dangerous? jeff47 Apr 2012 #223
Your argument assumes Plucketeer Apr 2012 #48
No, it doesn't. We're talking about a situation where a whistleblower wants to leak. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #116
In your humble opinion...... cliffordu Apr 2012 #29
But we cannot tolerate such injustice and evil...EVER! CoffeeCat Apr 2012 #26
I don't think that information about possible crimes by members of our government JDPriestly Apr 2012 #32
well said. robinlynne Apr 2012 #84
Unfortunately, Torture was ruled legal. jeff47 Apr 2012 #119
It was? JonLP24 Apr 2012 #142
It became legal when it was declared "enhanced interrigaton techniques" jeff47 Apr 2012 #200
Here JonLP24 Apr 2012 #213
What people think the law should say isn't what the law says. jeff47 Apr 2012 #214
I posted the law JonLP24 Apr 2012 #215
Do you read your own links? jeff47 Apr 2012 #217
It is saying the rules of the Geneva Convention(Specifically Article 3) JonLP24 Apr 2012 #220
Torture isn't illegal? JDPriestly Apr 2012 #197
When "Enhanced interrogation techniques" were approved, and no successful challenge has been brought jeff47 Apr 2012 #201
That does not make them legal under international law. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #207
Yes, but international law is irrelevant in regards to the espionage act jeff47 Apr 2012 #218
Bullshit. Every word. saras Apr 2012 #35
No, you just hear about the whistleblowers jeff47 Apr 2012 #120
Drake didn't release classified information. Vattel Apr 2012 #56
Unfortunately, "enhanced interrogation" was rule legal, and nobody's successfully challenged that. jeff47 Apr 2012 #122
It was clearly criminal prior to the amendments made to the war crimes act. Vattel Apr 2012 #140
How was torture ruled legal? Are we still part of the civilized world which signed sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #162
"whistleblower"...such a cute metaphor didact Apr 2012 #69
so when international crimes are committed, one should be quiet and "obey the law"? robinlynne Apr 2012 #83
If one doesn't want to be prosecuted, yes. jeff47 Apr 2012 #123
Problem with the Espionage Act FightForChange Apr 2012 #93
Why do you think he stopped anything? jeff47 Apr 2012 #125
Too bad pardoning people doesn't poll better, eh? nt sudopod Apr 2012 #184
If this case is similar to the Bush Admin's case against Tom Drake, truedelphi Apr 2012 #107
But prosecuting whistleblowers under the Espionage IS unprecedented ... markpkessinger Apr 2012 #147
Bologna quakerboy Apr 2012 #216
When we pretend selective enforcement is OK jeff47 Apr 2012 #219
Don't need to pretend it exists quakerboy Apr 2012 #221
I think for two reasons. 1. They leaked classified information. And 2., the MIC RKP5637 Apr 2012 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #15
They have no choice pscot Apr 2012 #18
To cover the butts of the gwb admin's war crimes. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #106
Keep trying...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #2
Keep spamming n/t brentspeak Apr 2012 #8
How do Canadians feel about the US torturning people? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #112
Here ProSense Apr 2012 #3
scooter libby? leftyohiolib Apr 2012 #4
Yeah, ProSense Apr 2012 #7
It would have been great if he'd cut loose with this in 2004. freshwest Apr 2012 #16
It served the GOP by releasing the information on 2007 how? TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #41
Are you saying ProSense Apr 2012 #46
Fear of retribution, perhaps? nt sudopod Apr 2012 #185
Title of thread refers to Obama's actions, not Bush. Held for political effect. Indicted now for freshwest Apr 2012 #55
Well said..... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #132
But no one was indicted for outing Valerie Plame? Why not? JDPriestly Apr 2012 #33
The latter. jeff47 Apr 2012 #126
Where do you see something about being indicted for outing a CIA agent? JDPriestly Apr 2012 #34
What I see ProSense Apr 2012 #50
Maybe he couldn't find the courage, or maybe no one was willing to listen JDPriestly Apr 2012 #198
War criminals walk but whistleblowers stand trial?! Pretty fucked up. polichick Apr 2012 #9
10-4 marshall gaines Apr 2012 #57
President Obama is trying cases now?! FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #10
Naw, he's much too busy getting the Patriot Act repealed... think Apr 2012 #11
President Obama can direct the DOJ to not prosecute whistleblowers .... unless he's a weak and Better Believe It Apr 2012 #43
So you want this President to ask the DOJ to not do their job BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #51
I want the Obama administration to not charge whistleblowers with espionage! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #61
No, not at all. randome Apr 2012 #65
Are you the Amazing Kreskin? You know that is what he wants? Really? How do you explain Dragonfli Apr 2012 #76
Link? Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #127
That's how I remember it, Dragonfli. All of a sudden we're not supposed to care sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #160
Well said... SidDithers Apr 2012 #103
So you can use english, just in a very limited way it would appear. At least it's a start. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #104
So do you favor charging whistleblowers with espionage? Please try to stay on topic. Thanks. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #108
So you DO want Obama to act like Bush BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #68
He seems to be pretty good at ignoring torture and the prosecution of torturers. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #80
Probably because it's not his job BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #88
All Presidents give direction to the DOJ. You didn't know that? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #111
That direction isn't to ignore lawbreakers BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #130
So you think Obama should concentrate DOJ resources on medical pot dispensaries and whistleblowers. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #134
Obama should let Holder do his job, like he's been appointed to do BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #168
I don't want him to and I really wish he wouldn't when it comes to civil liberties. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #109
Espionage isn't a civil liberty BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #131
But, when done by the CIA murdererers and torturers, it's protected by our government. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #151
Keep trying...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #102
K & R AzDar Apr 2012 #13
Is waterboarding classified intormation? nt snappyturtle Apr 2012 #14
I certainly would prefer to vote for someone more progressive than Obama, but I am teddy51 Apr 2012 #17
You can vote for whomever you want--it won't change a thing CoffeeCat Apr 2012 #30
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #63
The point, the lesson, & the problem, right there. nt dougolat Apr 2012 #187
Don't know -- the whole COUNTRY seems to be moving to the right lately. :( gateley Apr 2012 #137
I don't think it's the people who are moving right. The polls show that sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #190
Yeah, you're right on that. nt gateley Apr 2012 #194
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2012 #20
Going into Iraq Iliyah Apr 2012 #21
If only they went after war criminals with equal vigor. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #22
k/r emilyg Apr 2012 #23
How many Wall Street bankers have been indicted? donheld Apr 2012 #25
Somehow this story will end up in the bullshit half truth folder like many other Obama uponit7771 Apr 2012 #27
What time is it? cliffordu Apr 2012 #28
Obama has us over a barrel. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #31
expect a mighty and angry populace to arise this summer who is sick of wars, corruption xiamiam Apr 2012 #52
Pure evil. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #37
I am amazed that people could get lathered up about something like this nolabels Apr 2012 #49
du rec. nt xchrom Apr 2012 #38
Obama bad Obama bad Obama bad. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #39
so sick of that ridiculous remark..on iggy for anyone who chooses that as their defense fyi..nt xiamiam Apr 2012 #53
Oh please no ... not iggy!!! JoePhilly Apr 2012 #64
I like the reactions blind partisans have, such as childlike taunting, LOL! just1voice Apr 2012 #59
OMFG!!! Partisans on a partisan website!!!... SidDithers Apr 2012 #67
You are a partisan? To what party do you belong, what state do you vote primary in? /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #77
... SidDithers Apr 2012 #78
.. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #79
I don't speak graphic, are you able to use English? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #81
He used to know only one word. Fuddnik Apr 2012 #110
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #115
Partisans of deception Hawkowl Apr 2012 #99
I read the articles and found both to be rather shrill. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #73
I'm putting you on Un-Ignore! randome Apr 2012 #74
Redemption!!! JoePhilly Apr 2012 #82
Well, between ProSense Apr 2012 #87
keep trying...w/t KG Apr 2012 #40
K&R (n/t) a2liberal Apr 2012 #44
So when is Obama going to indict Cheney? bahrbearian Apr 2012 #45
Presidents don't indict people, the Justice Department does Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #47
Right. Obama knows nothing about these prosecutions. If he did, he'd stop them! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #62
So, you are suggesting that the President should interfere with Justice Dept. prosecutions? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #91
YES! EXACTLY! ALL Presidents indicate their priorities to the Justice Department. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #94
That's the irrefutable truth Mimosa Apr 2012 #192
And, poor, delicate, Obama has no say in his Justice Department. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #70
Sure he does, but interfering with a prosecution could be construed as Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #92
The Justice Department can reset its priorities and decide it doesn't have a firm "espionage" case Better Believe It Apr 2012 #95
By whom? The Republicans? The media? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #124
Would Obama be good if he did a Moscow Flash Mob dance? DevonRex Apr 2012 #54
I see red-baiting is alive and well. Nice. TBF Apr 2012 #90
Oh how silly. DevonRex Apr 2012 #114
I'm so glad to hear that because I thought you had a problem with BBI - TBF Apr 2012 #121
It's just a few, actually, the same few all the time. I am grateful to them because sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #191
Totally unsurprising stupidicus Apr 2012 #58
I completely agree Oilwellian Apr 2012 #129
Yes indeed! nt dougolat Apr 2012 #186
Bush and Cheney are still walking out there and lovuian Apr 2012 #60
Exposing torture is a crime..torturing or enabling torture isn't. Especially in campaign season. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #66
Exposing torture is a crime..torturing or enabling torture isn't. Especially in campaign season. druidity33 Apr 2012 #128
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #71
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #72
+1 inna Apr 2012 #85
...this, plus the continued war on Legalized Marijuana Dispensaries are some of the more infuriating truebrit71 Apr 2012 #75
ACLU: In 2009 the Obama administration made 54 million decisions to classify government documents! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #86
The Good News ProSense Apr 2012 #100
It is because we have a system in place that clearly puts state secrets Rex Apr 2012 #89
It's no state secret that a few million Iraqis will NEVER forget us. nt patrice Apr 2012 #97
"... a rose by any other name ..." would still look like a rose. nt patrice Apr 2012 #96
So?...What are they going to do? bvar22 Apr 2012 #98
maybe the real story should be: the high crimes they didn't bother to even investigate G_j Apr 2012 #101
That's what GW and Jebby's visit was about to the WH Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #105
Whats wrong with everybody? rudycantfail Apr 2012 #117
There is a series of articles published daily by paid operatives trying to suppress the vote. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #133
What's strange is some of those same paid operatives used to post anti-Bush articles.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #136
That's Cunning!!! NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #138
Facts be damned. rudycantfail Apr 2012 #139
These articles: terrific distractions away from the real enemies. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #141
So the progressive government whistleblowers are the enemy? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #146
Monsanto, Exxon, Consolidated Media, etc... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #155
Yep, divide and conquer. joshcryer Apr 2012 #164
I am collecting a list of recently PPR'd posters. joshcryer Apr 2012 #143
Always interesting to see how "busy" they become closer to election time. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #144
Do you think Homeland Security is drawing up the same list? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #148
Doubtful, HHS is against the left. joshcryer Apr 2012 #158
Kind of a non-sequiteur...??? cliffordu Apr 2012 #189
I have here in my hand a list Fumesucker Apr 2012 #154
Eh, merely protecting myself from false flag PYSOPS from the right. joshcryer Apr 2012 #159
Of course anyone who isn't deliriously happy with Obama is a right wing agitator. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #161
They've been PPR'd, they're obviously agitators. joshcryer Apr 2012 #163
I watched Hannah Bell get TSed.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #165
Well, it's possible these posters are left wing agitators like that person... joshcryer Apr 2012 #167
Well, when you have nothing left here but pragmatic moderate centrists.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #170
I have other more liberal sites to go to for that. joshcryer Apr 2012 #172
DU swings further to the right on nearly a daily basis.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #174
I don't see that at all. joshcryer Apr 2012 #177
A quintessentially Republican idea straight from the Heritage Foundation.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #180
Sort by replies. A lot of us post uncontroversial stuff that drops thanks to derision. joshcryer Apr 2012 #181
The ones I see doing the most damage to DU are those who constantly try to put a positive spin.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #182
Those people are outnumbered though. joshcryer Apr 2012 #183
And yet you see a reason for attacking good DUers who don't march in lockstep brentspeak Apr 2012 #175
Who am I attacking? joshcryer Apr 2012 #176
"Agitators"...like Chris Hedges? brentspeak Apr 2012 #178
Nah, he just bought the line, probably due to ignorance. joshcryer Apr 2012 #179
Lord, I miss her Mimosa Apr 2012 #193
So you are claiming that my posted article is written by a paid Republican operative Better Believe It Apr 2012 #145
I think he/she meant that you were the paid operative.. SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #149
Expect a silent chorus of crickets..but more accusations of disloyalty for not toeing the party line Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #150
sacrebleu! NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #153
What you just said is one of the reasons cliffordu Apr 2012 #188
I strongly disagree with your assertion that critics of the Administration are paid disruptors. Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #203
Oh, and the government agency my dad went up against Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #204
I hope you remain active here, you do much good work. (nt) NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #209
Still active, but I have Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #210
By this standard Richard Armitage and Robert Novak are whistleblowers. joshcryer Apr 2012 #135
Really? When were they opposed to torture? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #152
Really? ProSense Apr 2012 #156
"Why did he wait until 2007 to reveal this information? " girl gone mad Apr 2012 #199
I didn't know this guy was indicted for being opposed to torture. joshcryer Apr 2012 #157
For opposing it and helping to expose it with super secret documents! Throw the key away! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #166
If he is convicted and then his sentence isn't commuted... joshcryer Apr 2012 #169
How much hard labor time do you think this lefty liberal should get? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #171
John Kiriakou lied about how many times Zubaydah was waterboarded. He's no lefty. joshcryer Apr 2012 #173
So you believe he engaged in espionage on behalf of what nation or terrorist group? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #196
Bradley Manning unionworks Apr 2012 #195
Did Nash of CSNY write this song about Manning? Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #205
Co-wrote it with the other guy unionworks Apr 2012 #208
Good. mzmolly Apr 2012 #211
So much for transparency. BlueIris Apr 2012 #212
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