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Mon Apr 9, 2012, 05:58 PM

Better Believe It (18,630 posts)

111. All Presidents give direction to the DOJ. You didn't know that?

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President Obama Indicts Sixth Whistleblower Under the Espionage Act [View all]	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	OP
Why do you think his admin is doing this? I would really love to know. nt	Mojorabbit	Apr 2012	#1
If we knew all of the dirty "war" secrets we'd be inclined to oppose military adventures abroad.	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#5
Because they leaked classified information	jeff47	Apr 2012	#6
They classify millions of documents that have nothing to do with the security of the nation.	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#19
Go check the part between the parenthesis.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#24
No, it's not hard to classify documents.	fasttense	Apr 2012	#36
You don't get to make up the reason	jeff47	Apr 2012	#118
jeff47	dotymed	Apr 2012	#42
You're giving a perfect example of "whistleblowers" who are wrong about what they're leaking.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#113
Obviously you did not watch the video.	dotymed	Apr 2012	#202
Obviously, you didn't either.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#206
How did I know who replied to my true post?	dotymed	Apr 2012	#222
Running around with an assault rifle in a war zone isn't dangerous?	jeff47	Apr 2012	#223
Your argument assumes	Plucketeer	Apr 2012	#48
No, it doesn't. We're talking about a situation where a whistleblower wants to leak. (nt)	jeff47	Apr 2012	#116
In your humble opinion......	cliffordu	Apr 2012	#29
But we cannot tolerate such injustice and evil...EVER!	CoffeeCat	Apr 2012	#26
I don't think that information about possible crimes by members of our government	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#32
well said.	robinlynne	Apr 2012	#84
Unfortunately, Torture was ruled legal.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#119
It was?	JonLP24	Apr 2012	#142
It became legal when it was declared "enhanced interrigaton techniques"	jeff47	Apr 2012	#200
Here	JonLP24	Apr 2012	#213
What people think the law should say isn't what the law says.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#214
I posted the law	JonLP24	Apr 2012	#215
Do you read your own links?	jeff47	Apr 2012	#217
It is saying the rules of the Geneva Convention(Specifically Article 3)	JonLP24	Apr 2012	#220
Torture isn't illegal?	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#197
When "Enhanced interrogation techniques" were approved, and no successful challenge has been brought	jeff47	Apr 2012	#201
That does not make them legal under international law.	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#207
Yes, but international law is irrelevant in regards to the espionage act	jeff47	Apr 2012	#218
Bullshit. Every word.	saras	Apr 2012	#35
No, you just hear about the whistleblowers	jeff47	Apr 2012	#120
Drake didn't release classified information.	Vattel	Apr 2012	#56
Unfortunately, "enhanced interrogation" was rule legal, and nobody's successfully challenged that.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#122
It was clearly criminal prior to the amendments made to the war crimes act.	Vattel	Apr 2012	#140
How was torture ruled legal? Are we still part of the civilized world which signed	sabrina 1	Apr 2012	#162
"whistleblower"...such a cute metaphor	didact	Apr 2012	#69
so when international crimes are committed, one should be quiet and "obey the law"?	robinlynne	Apr 2012	#83
If one doesn't want to be prosecuted, yes.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#123
Problem with the Espionage Act	FightForChange	Apr 2012	#93
Why do you think he stopped anything?	jeff47	Apr 2012	#125
Too bad pardoning people doesn't poll better, eh? nt	sudopod	Apr 2012	#184
If this case is similar to the Bush Admin's case against Tom Drake,	truedelphi	Apr 2012	#107
But prosecuting whistleblowers under the Espionage IS unprecedented ...	markpkessinger	Apr 2012	#147
Bologna	quakerboy	Apr 2012	#216
When we pretend selective enforcement is OK	jeff47	Apr 2012	#219
Don't need to pretend it exists	quakerboy	Apr 2012	#221
I think for two reasons. 1. They leaked classified information. And 2., the MIC	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#12
This post was hidden by jury decision.	tridim	Apr 2012	#15
They have no choice	pscot	Apr 2012	#18
To cover the butts of the gwb admin's war crimes.	Dont call me Shirley	Apr 2012	#106
Keep trying...nt	SidDithers	Apr 2012	#2
Keep spamming n/t	brentspeak	Apr 2012	#8
How do Canadians feel about the US torturning people?	DisgustipatedinCA	Apr 2012	#112
Here	ProSense	Apr 2012	#3
scooter libby?	leftyohiolib	Apr 2012	#4
Yeah,	ProSense	Apr 2012	#7
It would have been great if he'd cut loose with this in 2004.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#16
It served the GOP by releasing the information on 2007 how?	TheKentuckian	Apr 2012	#41
Are you saying	ProSense	Apr 2012	#46
Fear of retribution, perhaps? nt	sudopod	Apr 2012	#185
Title of thread refers to Obama's actions, not Bush. Held for political effect. Indicted now for	freshwest	Apr 2012	#55
Well said.....	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#132
But no one was indicted for outing Valerie Plame? Why not?	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#33
The latter.	jeff47	Apr 2012	#126
Where do you see something about being indicted for outing a CIA agent?	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#34
What I see	ProSense	Apr 2012	#50
Maybe he couldn't find the courage, or maybe no one was willing to listen	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#198
War criminals walk but whistleblowers stand trial?! Pretty fucked up.	polichick	Apr 2012	#9
10-4	marshall gaines	Apr 2012	#57
President Obama is trying cases now?!	FarLeftFist	Apr 2012	#10
Naw, he's much too busy getting the Patriot Act repealed...	think	Apr 2012	#11
President Obama can direct the DOJ to not prosecute whistleblowers .... unless he's a weak and	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#43
So you want this President to ask the DOJ to not do their job	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#51
I want the Obama administration to not charge whistleblowers with espionage!	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#61
No, not at all.	randome	Apr 2012	#65
Are you the Amazing Kreskin? You know that is what he wants? Really? How do you explain	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#76
Link?	Bobbie Jo	Apr 2012	#127
That's how I remember it, Dragonfli. All of a sudden we're not supposed to care	sabrina 1	Apr 2012	#160
Well said...	SidDithers	Apr 2012	#103
So you can use english, just in a very limited way it would appear. At least it's a start.	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#104
So do you favor charging whistleblowers with espionage? Please try to stay on topic. Thanks.	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#108
So you DO want Obama to act like Bush	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#68
He seems to be pretty good at ignoring torture and the prosecution of torturers.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#80
Probably because it's not his job	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#88
All Presidents give direction to the DOJ. You didn't know that?	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#111
That direction isn't to ignore lawbreakers	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#130
So you think Obama should concentrate DOJ resources on medical pot dispensaries and whistleblowers.	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#134
Obama should let Holder do his job, like he's been appointed to do	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#168
I don't want him to and I really wish he wouldn't when it comes to civil liberties.	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#109
Espionage isn't a civil liberty	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#131
But, when done by the CIA murdererers and torturers, it's protected by our government.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#151
Keep trying...nt	SidDithers	Apr 2012	#102
K & R	AzDar	Apr 2012	#13
Is waterboarding classified intormation? nt	snappyturtle	Apr 2012	#14
I certainly would prefer to vote for someone more progressive than Obama, but I am	teddy51	Apr 2012	#17
You can vote for whomever you want--it won't change a thing	CoffeeCat	Apr 2012	#30
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	Apr 2012	#63
The point, the lesson, & the problem, right there. nt	dougolat	Apr 2012	#187
Don't know -- the whole COUNTRY seems to be moving to the right lately. :(	gateley	Apr 2012	#137
I don't think it's the people who are moving right. The polls show that	sabrina 1	Apr 2012	#190
Yeah, you're right on that. nt	gateley	Apr 2012	#194
K&R	DeSwiss	Apr 2012	#20
Going into Iraq	Iliyah	Apr 2012	#21
If only they went after war criminals with equal vigor.	HooptieWagon	Apr 2012	#22
k/r	emilyg	Apr 2012	#23
How many Wall Street bankers have been indicted?	donheld	Apr 2012	#25
Somehow this story will end up in the bullshit half truth folder like many other Obama	uponit7771	Apr 2012	#27
What time is it?	cliffordu	Apr 2012	#28
Obama has us over a barrel.	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#31
expect a mighty and angry populace to arise this summer who is sick of wars, corruption	xiamiam	Apr 2012	#52
Pure evil.	girl gone mad	Apr 2012	#37
I am amazed that people could get lathered up about something like this	nolabels	Apr 2012	#49
du rec. nt	xchrom	Apr 2012	#38
Obama bad Obama bad Obama bad.	JoePhilly	Apr 2012	#39
so sick of that ridiculous remark..on iggy for anyone who chooses that as their defense fyi..nt	xiamiam	Apr 2012	#53
Oh please no ... not iggy!!!	JoePhilly	Apr 2012	#64
I like the reactions blind partisans have, such as childlike taunting, LOL!	just1voice	Apr 2012	#59
OMFG!!! Partisans on a partisan website!!!...	SidDithers	Apr 2012	#67
You are a partisan? To what party do you belong, what state do you vote primary in? /nt	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#77
...	SidDithers	Apr 2012	#78
..	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#79
I don't speak graphic, are you able to use English?	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#81
He used to know only one word.	Fuddnik	Apr 2012	#110
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Dragonfli	Apr 2012	#115
Partisans of deception	Hawkowl	Apr 2012	#99
I read the articles and found both to be rather shrill.	JoePhilly	Apr 2012	#73
I'm putting you on Un-Ignore!	randome	Apr 2012	#74
Redemption!!!	JoePhilly	Apr 2012	#82
Well, between	ProSense	Apr 2012	#87
keep trying...w/t	KG	Apr 2012	#40
K&R (n/t)	a2liberal	Apr 2012	#44
So when is Obama going to indict Cheney?	bahrbearian	Apr 2012	#45
Presidents don't indict people, the Justice Department does	Freddie Stubbs	Apr 2012	#47
Right. Obama knows nothing about these prosecutions. If he did, he'd stop them!	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#62
So, you are suggesting that the President should interfere with Justice Dept. prosecutions?	Freddie Stubbs	Apr 2012	#91
YES! EXACTLY! ALL Presidents indicate their priorities to the Justice Department.	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#94
That's the irrefutable truth	Mimosa	Apr 2012	#192
And, poor, delicate, Obama has no say in his Justice Department.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#70
Sure he does, but interfering with a prosecution could be construed as	Freddie Stubbs	Apr 2012	#92
The Justice Department can reset its priorities and decide it doesn't have a firm "espionage" case	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#95
By whom? The Republicans? The media?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#124
Would Obama be good if he did a Moscow Flash Mob dance?	DevonRex	Apr 2012	#54
I see red-baiting is alive and well. Nice.	TBF	Apr 2012	#90
Oh how silly.	DevonRex	Apr 2012	#114
I'm so glad to hear that because I thought you had a problem with BBI -	TBF	Apr 2012	#121
It's just a few, actually, the same few all the time. I am grateful to them because	sabrina 1	Apr 2012	#191
Totally unsurprising	stupidicus	Apr 2012	#58
I completely agree	Oilwellian	Apr 2012	#129
Yes indeed! nt	dougolat	Apr 2012	#186
Bush and Cheney are still walking out there and	lovuian	Apr 2012	#60
Exposing torture is a crime..torturing or enabling torture isn't. Especially in campaign season.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#66
Exposing torture is a crime..torturing or enabling torture isn't. Especially in campaign season.	druidity33	Apr 2012	#128
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Marley01	Apr 2012	#71
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Apr 2012	#72
+1	inna	Apr 2012	#85
...this, plus the continued war on Legalized Marijuana Dispensaries are some of the more infuriating	truebrit71	Apr 2012	#75
ACLU: In 2009 the Obama administration made 54 million decisions to classify government documents!	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#86
The Good News	ProSense	Apr 2012	#100
It is because we have a system in place that clearly puts state secrets	Rex	Apr 2012	#89
It's no state secret that a few million Iraqis will NEVER forget us. nt	patrice	Apr 2012	#97
"... a rose by any other name ..." would still look like a rose. nt	patrice	Apr 2012	#96
So?...What are they going to do?	bvar22	Apr 2012	#98
maybe the real story should be: the high crimes they didn't bother to even investigate	G_j	Apr 2012	#101
That's what GW and Jebby's visit was about to the WH	Dont call me Shirley	Apr 2012	#105
Whats wrong with everybody?	rudycantfail	Apr 2012	#117
There is a series of articles published daily by paid operatives trying to suppress the vote.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#133
What's strange is some of those same paid operatives used to post anti-Bush articles..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#136
That's Cunning!!!	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#138
Facts be damned.	rudycantfail	Apr 2012	#139
These articles: terrific distractions away from the real enemies.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#141
So the progressive government whistleblowers are the enemy?	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#146
Monsanto, Exxon, Consolidated Media, etc...	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#155
Yep, divide and conquer.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#164
I am collecting a list of recently PPR'd posters.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#143
Always interesting to see how "busy" they become closer to election time.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#144
Do you think Homeland Security is drawing up the same list?	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#148
Doubtful, HHS is against the left.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#158
Kind of a non-sequiteur...???	cliffordu	Apr 2012	#189
I have here in my hand a list	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#154
Eh, merely protecting myself from false flag PYSOPS from the right.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#159
Of course anyone who isn't deliriously happy with Obama is a right wing agitator.	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#161
They've been PPR'd, they're obviously agitators.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#163
I watched Hannah Bell get TSed..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#165
Well, it's possible these posters are left wing agitators like that person...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#167
Well, when you have nothing left here but pragmatic moderate centrists..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#170
I have other more liberal sites to go to for that.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#172
DU swings further to the right on nearly a daily basis..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#174
I don't see that at all.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#177
A quintessentially Republican idea straight from the Heritage Foundation..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#180
Sort by replies. A lot of us post uncontroversial stuff that drops thanks to derision.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#181
The ones I see doing the most damage to DU are those who constantly try to put a positive spin..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#182
Those people are outnumbered though.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#183
And yet you see a reason for attacking good DUers who don't march in lockstep	brentspeak	Apr 2012	#175
Who am I attacking?	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#176
"Agitators"...like Chris Hedges?	brentspeak	Apr 2012	#178
Nah, he just bought the line, probably due to ignorance.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#179
Lord, I miss her	Mimosa	Apr 2012	#193
So you are claiming that my posted article is written by a paid Republican operative	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#145
I think he/she meant that you were the paid operative..	SomethingFishy	Apr 2012	#149
Expect a silent chorus of crickets..but more accusations of disloyalty for not toeing the party line	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#150
sacrebleu!	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#153
What you just said is one of the reasons	cliffordu	Apr 2012	#188
I strongly disagree with your assertion that critics of the Administration are paid disruptors.	Leopolds Ghost	Apr 2012	#203
Oh, and the government agency my dad went up against	Leopolds Ghost	Apr 2012	#204
I hope you remain active here, you do much good work. (nt)	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#209
Still active, but I have	Leopolds Ghost	Apr 2012	#210
By this standard Richard Armitage and Robert Novak are whistleblowers.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#135
Really? When were they opposed to torture?	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#152
Really?	ProSense	Apr 2012	#156
"Why did he wait until 2007 to reveal this information? "	girl gone mad	Apr 2012	#199
I didn't know this guy was indicted for being opposed to torture.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#157
For opposing it and helping to expose it with super secret documents! Throw the key away!	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#166
If he is convicted and then his sentence isn't commuted...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#169
How much hard labor time do you think this lefty liberal should get?	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#171
John Kiriakou lied about how many times Zubaydah was waterboarded. He's no lefty.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#173
So you believe he engaged in espionage on behalf of what nation or terrorist group?	Better Believe It	Apr 2012	#196
Bradley Manning	unionworks	Apr 2012	#195
Did Nash of CSNY write this song about Manning?	Leopolds Ghost	Apr 2012	#205
Co-wrote it with the other guy	unionworks	Apr 2012	#208
Good.	mzmolly	Apr 2012	#211
So much for transparency.	BlueIris	Apr 2012	#212

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