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Vine Gatherer

(94 posts) Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:03 PM Sep 2014

The Putin Contingent on DU: WTF? [View all]

As a newb, I am simply not getting the people here actually justifying, or in some cases outright supporting the actions of a man who 1) Is clearly not a friend of this country, 2) Looks down on our President almost as much as does Netanyahu, and 3) Is obviously interested in replacing the Romanovs with his own dynasty: All Hail Czar Vladimir Vladimirovich!

Look, I'm not saying Putin has NO legitimate concerns: In fact, I posted a thread referencing such earlier today. But let's not delude ourselves: This man is no democrat, either upper- or lower-case. Nor is he a leader: Rather, he is a captor, like so many Russian tyrants before him, and his much-ballyhooed poll numbers in Russia are due in no small part to his strangulation of opposing voices, especially in the media.

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The Putin Contingent on DU: WTF? [View all] Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 OP

so many hope DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #1

Yeah, well, welcome to DU BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #2

Many of us were raised to believe Russia was evil RobertEarl Sep 2014 #4

I love Russian culture, particularly its music and literature BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #6

Game, Set, Match Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #11

From American workers' viepoint pscot Sep 2014 #168

The Soviet Union was a bloody, brutal, despotic bastard of a country. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #180

+1 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #80

+100! zappaman Sep 2014 #101

Don't forget the ballet, amandabeech Sep 2014 #121

Don't forget about the alexandrite. It is very beautiful. Ural Mts Russia. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #143

Wow. Puglover Sep 2014 #166

Cool sounds beautiful. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #200

You are in a different league than your debate opponent. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #161

there are lots of proputin comments samsingh Sep 2014 #3

You mean like the Saddam Lovers? Putin Lovers/Saddam Lovers?? Remember? We used to have them too. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #5

I'm still reeling over the onslaught of DU Snowden Lovers leftstreet Sep 2014 #7

I wasn't over the Saddam Lovers yet, it CAN take years you know. Then we were hit with the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #9

Go try any of the diaries by Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #35

I have read those posts and saw no 'pootie lovers' there. I guess you didn't either or you would sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #44

"E" for effort, but you're interacting with a poster who boasts "50 million US households watch RT". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #81

!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #103

!!! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #137

And "no one invaded Crimea"! zappaman Sep 2014 #140

Glad you agree. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #142

Big deal. Most of them are just watching a Russian cartoon comedy show starring Yakov Smiroff. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #112

I love this sitcom. Tell me more. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #124

Lol, pay attention. You are talking AGAIN to someone who may be 'just visiting'! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #138

Old news. zappaman Sep 2014 #145

Oh, Lord Jeebus! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #150

I was told I wanted to have Saddam's baby! polly7 Sep 2014 #177

There are those here who would rather know the truth about Cleita Sep 2014 #8

Oh, the Bibi has a Solution in mind for the Palestinians, all right Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #13

Hyperbole does nothing to help your case leftynyc Sep 2014 #18

Okay, then: Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #28

Annnnd? That's not Bibi is it? IronGate Sep 2014 #32

Bibi isn't Putin Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #34

Ah, the High Horse Defense. DavidDvorkin Sep 2014 #36

You're the one that compared Netanyahu to Hitler and the Nazi's, not anyone else here. nt. IronGate Sep 2014 #38

YOU brought up bibi leftynyc Sep 2014 #39

well to be fair... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #57

Stupidest post of the day. IronGate Sep 2014 #26

See above Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #29

It seems our newbie leftynyc Sep 2014 #40

That's because our newbie is just visiting from TBF Sep 2014 #47

That's because the FR Begathon is over and they are free to troll here now. Wankers Monk06 Sep 2014 #106

His posts look and sound exactly like another one Union Scribe Sep 2014 #178

And then denys he/she was the one that broached the subject. nt. IronGate Sep 2014 #48

really OTT steve2470 Sep 2014 #65

Thank you, Cleita. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #179

I have been around here long enough to remember the Mugabe fan club. Throd Sep 2014 #10

That's a new one. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #59

I remember that also. (been reading DU since 2005) EX500rider Sep 2014 #104

i dont get it either. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #12

An unholy alliance of the anti-American left, geek tragedy Sep 2014 #14

Do you know who you are talking to? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #141

"Anti-American". Which used to be a big no-no at the DU! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #152

the ban on America-haters, kooks and crackpots was always honored in the breach . . . nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #162

There are Putin fans, and then there are the useful idiots. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #15

'which is not to say the US is never involved' sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #147

A) There were hundreds of thousands of protesters and B) There was no coup. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #163

The WaPo is 'Russian State Media'? Lol. It's hard to refute hard evidence, I understand that. And sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #172

You've not once proven any evidence of a coup in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #184

The discussion was, 'was the US involved in the toppling of Ukr's govt. Not 'prove there was a coup' sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #190

Your post upthread. Emphasis mine. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #191

Again, the discussion was Us involvement in Ukr. I know you are pushing the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #197

News flash: The US is "involved" in a lot of countries. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #204

"gullible dupes"... SidDithers Sep 2014 #205

Would you rather have Sarah Palin as President of Russia? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #21

Ok, you made me suffragette Sep 2014 #135

Well... conservaphobe Sep 2014 #17

"They are but a few drops in a sea of betters" TBF Sep 2014 #45

I owe no one an explanation. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #49

Can you give an example of someone TBF Sep 2014 #50

When one side has to engage in ad hominems (see: "Putin contingent"), they usually are afraid of.. anti partisan Sep 2014 #19

There are people openly supporting geek tragedy Sep 2014 #27

Many Democrats here at DU, and in our Party Leadership.... bvar22 Sep 2014 #33

They did? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #53

Waiting for you to provide some evidence of DUers supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #182

Um, bvar22 has been here since 2001....longer than you. U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #201

There were no posters favoring the invasion Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #207

Yes? Who? Where? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #52

From my conversations this afternoon: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #66

I hadn't seen that, but that is disgusting. Looks like Obama haters & Putin peddlers have found.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #84

+1. The use of vineyardsaker is fucking disgusting...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #85

Can you show me where the blog is being sourced on DU? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #92

Coy is a bad color for you. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #95

Hardly coy Scootaloo Sep 2014 #97

A poster on another thread boasted of 15-20. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #98

Don't plan to Scootaloo Sep 2014 #102

Do a site search for: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #96

Oh hell geek, there's LOTS of tells for that one Scootaloo Sep 2014 #99

How many qualifies as a "contingent"? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #110

Oh, two, by the word's definition Scootaloo Sep 2014 #111

"constant frothing panic" OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #114

Oh, you want to gif-spar? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #115

I am really not trying to suck up to you. Puglover Sep 2014 #167

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #154

LBH...some agree with you. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #156

We happen to be seeing the same threads. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #159

Why would anyone be "afraid" to debate on an anyonymous web forum? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #30

I find it the single most inconceivable political opinion I've encountered BainsBane Sep 2014 #20

because Snowden. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #22

Thank You. I honestly try to avoid threads about Snowden or mentioning him at all- KittyWampus Sep 2014 #165

He's actually extremely conservative if placed in US politics. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #23

Of course BainsBane Sep 2014 #25

For awhile he was absolutely beloved on Freehorseapples. amandabeech Sep 2014 #122

It's a big world. There are Russians who like him. There are people here who like Obama Autumn Sep 2014 #24

It's a big world. But this is a website for the American Democratic party, and for TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #56

Well I for one would rather support Putin over the Republican party Autumn Sep 2014 #79

It's neither the Democratic party position or the progressive/left position to support TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #94

Life is weird. Autumn Sep 2014 #108

Not really. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #109

??? pinto Sep 2014 #126

You don't get the idea that some people in Russia or the US may just like their leaders? Autumn Sep 2014 #171

I think it's related to Snowden/Greenwald. JaydenD Sep 2014 #31

+1! Nailed It! It really is just that simple for some of the Putin boosters here. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #89

Oh please, I think it is more about being lied to your Live and Learn Sep 2014 #158

yep TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #203

Liiiike who? Where? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #37

One of the posters here who posts nothing but RT articles Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #51

Not sure I would call him "Putin contingent" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #54

Another one whose name rhymes with armadillo Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #63

Three! Three pooty-pooters! Ah-ah-ah! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #73

Oh I've got plenty more I could name.... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #75

Does your list have 205 names on it, Cali_Democrat? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #77

I have here in my hand a list of 214 Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #87

Are you saying they are "Unwelcome on DU?" KoKo Sep 2014 #107

Anyone who takes RT propaganda as fact BainsBane Sep 2014 #127

Well, what if RT is actually reporting fact? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #129

Positing one crap media outlet to justify another is far from convincing BainsBane Sep 2014 #130

point being... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #132

It has nothing to do with being a reprehensible human being BainsBane Sep 2014 #134

I didn't mean you in particular Scootaloo Sep 2014 #136

Considering how some of them have reacted to my own situation BainsBane Sep 2014 #139

And considering stuff i've seen from the torch-and-pitchfork crowd... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #144

The one on inactive status baited the jury several times in a day BainsBane Sep 2014 #146

I think we just missed each other there BainsBane Scootaloo Sep 2014 #149

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #133

They shouldn't be uncritically accepted as true Union Scribe Sep 2014 #183

There is one inactive DUer who shall remain nameless. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #55

Okay, we're up to a possible two, one of whom is inactive... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #58

There was also this gem: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #61

Oh yes, that's a real gem of a thread Scootaloo Sep 2014 #67

The guy lauded Putin for "knowing his history" and invading Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #72

Okay, doesn't make your "team"'s response any less vile or reprehensible though Scootaloo Sep 2014 #76

Are Mods above the rules? Now that is interesting. I hadn't heard that. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #100

Hey Scoot Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #71

well, that depends Scootaloo Sep 2014 #74

Aaaaaand bingo. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #78

Um...WTF did I just see? Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #153

A sad, pathetic specimen of humanity. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #164

You've gotta be kidding me. Is that our Catherina? WTF? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #173

There's a lot more ugliness where that came from. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #181

I'm sorry Tommy, that was a bad hide. Twitter is a public forum. What was the problem? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #185

They claimed it couldn't be verified as her Twitter account and therefore was an unfair attack. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #186

Thank you for this link....as with the others you helpfully provided in the worst hidden msanthrope Sep 2014 #187

I agree with MADem and the others who are calling for Admin to take a look at the hide, and jury. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #188

Wow... SidDithers Sep 2014 #174

Nice to know you're keeping tabs Union Scribe Sep 2014 #176

That's weird. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #194

Especially considering that a poster in this thread keeps screeching "whooo?? Whooo?? WHOOOO??" Number23 Sep 2014 #202

Lame. Amost no one here thinks Putin is a good leader. Vattel Sep 2014 #41

I'm sure if we scour the 8 years of George W. Bush we can find some action of his we support as well Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #42

I've never seen one but I don't deny that maybe a few exist. Vattel Sep 2014 #43

Well... TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #60

DU is like anywhere. HuckleB Sep 2014 #46

Putin is using Bush-Rove playbook and appeals to TeaParty and duped lefties. blm Sep 2014 #62

Actually Putin wrote some of the Bush-Rove playbook Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #68

"duped lefties following suit and using DU as a platform to do it." Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #175

In all seriousness, they don't even have the cover of left-wing ideology TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #64

Links or STFU Dems to Win Sep 2014 #69

Here you go Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #70

Robert Parry is an excellent journalist Dems to Win Sep 2014 #83

Was it just two years ago many Conservatives complained about Obama comments to Putin on open mike gordianot Sep 2014 #82

The fringe left has hitched their wagon to Putin... SidDithers Sep 2014 #86

+1 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #90

Putin is a fascist AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #88

For some DUers, Putin's sins were washed away Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #91

Putin is bad news. nt cwydro Sep 2014 #93

Embarrassingly enough the fringe left has always had Soviet sympathizers Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #105

Too bad they can't live in Russia.. and I mean that sincerely. Cha Sep 2014 #113

As someone who has been to Castro's Cuba, Mugabe's Zimbabwe and St. Hugo's Venezuela Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #123

"Too bad they can't live in Russia.. and I mean that sincerely". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #189

Since when does being against imperialism imply being pro anything else? eridani Sep 2014 #116

Isn't imperialism what the invasion of the Ukraine amounts to? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #117

Who is invading who? eridani Sep 2014 #118

Sorry I don't take regurgiatated RT propaganda. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #119

The source it not RT, and there are plenty of other references n/t eridani Sep 2014 #120

It doesn't matter if it's not RT. It's a subjective and highly inaccurate narrative of events. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #170

So, who died and who lived? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #192

People from both sides. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #193

Right--and in the burning building were..? eridani Sep 2014 #195

Cute. You know you can actually post real photos and videos of that day's tragic events... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #196

The easterners are at home. The westerners are not. End of story n/t eridani Sep 2014 #198

What? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #199

Is there an RT link here somewhere? I'd like to see it, they have been dead right on so many issues sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #148

they are ignorant reorg Sep 2014 #151

WTF....Du'ers spreading Neocon propaganda JEB Sep 2014 #125

The neocons are focused on Iraq, Iran and Syria Vine Gatherer Sep 2014 #128

Neocons shit in any punch bowl. JEB Sep 2014 #131

So if one questions Heir Putin BainsBane Sep 2014 #208

Some of the Putin contingent here are very obvious. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #160

I call them (those who twist to the extreme) "pretzels." The knot in the center of their pretzel kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #169

More Putin apologists on my thread here. edhopper Sep 2014 #206