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KingCharlemagne

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52. As is so often the case, Charlie Pierce of Esquire's "The Politics Blog" nails
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 03:19 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

the utter rot at the heart of the American experiment:

"The apparent interference with the Senate investigation is a constitutional crime of the first order." (Emphasis added)



It is not too much of an exaggeration to say that, in one very important way, the president has lost control of his own government. The current constitutional crisis between the CIA and the Senate committee tasked with investigating its policies regarding torture during the previous administration has only one real solution that is consonant with the rule of law. Either CIA director John Brennan gets to the bottom of what his people were doing and publicly fires everyone involved, or John Brennan becomes the ex-director of the CIA. By the Constitution, this isn't even a hard call. The Senate has every legal right to investigate what was done in the name of the American people during the previous decade. It has every legal right to every scrap of information relating to its investigation, and the CIA has an affirmative legal obligation to cooperate. Period. The only way this is not true is if we come to accept the intelligence apparatus as an extra-legal, formal fourth branch of the government.

That is the choice that the president should give Brennan. Right now. This morning. Nobody is asking for the release of tracking data regarding the current operatives of al Qaeda. This information is being withheld because, during the late Avignon Presidency, the CIA repeatedly broke the law in its treatment of captives and it did so with the blessing of the highest reaches of the American government. That the president has not done this yet -- indeed, that he seems to have thrown his support behind Brennan -- is not merely a mistake, it is a demonstration of the practical limits of the political appeal that got him elected in the first place.

Increasingly, the election of Barack Obama seems to have functioned more as an anesthetic than as an antidote to the criminality of his predecessor's government. His message of conciliation allowed the American people to forget what they had allowed a cabal of bureaucrats and fantasts to hijack their government in the chaos and terror following the attacks of September 11. The president offered the country, as I wrote at the time, absolution without penance. And he put that philosophy into action by declining right at the outset to prosecute, or even to thoroughly investigate, what had been done. What we are seeing today is the final limit to looking forward, and not back. The CIA, and the rest of the intelligence apparatus of the country, was not reconciled to democracy. They were not brought properly to heal and the American people were not forced to confront the consequences of the terrible abandonment of self-government that, at its worst, the intelligence community represents.

The Senate investigation is really the last chance for even the ghost of a full accounting. (The CIA already destroyed videotapes of the torture sessions ) The apparent interference with the Senate investigation is a constitutional crime of the first order. The president set himself to bring people together. That's a noble goal, and one with which few people would disagree. But it is not the CIA's goal. It never has been. Its long history of crimes and bungling have created a climate within the intelligence community that is anathema to intelligent self-government. The president is the only one who can change that. It's time that he start the job.


http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-cia-john-brennan-031414
Sounds Awfully Like Laws Were Broken, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Oct 2014 #1
Laws, what the Hell are those things? Bandit Oct 2014 #4
Laws are so 20th Century - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #53
Shocking... Mnemosyne Oct 2014 #2
The CIA needs Faux pas Oct 2014 #3
Ha ha. It is to laugh. At treason. Octafish Oct 2014 #5
Looks like the CIA is winning the war over control of the nation. Rex Oct 2014 #7
What was it that Plato said about politics? Octafish Oct 2014 #12
In decades past, the CIA spying on Congress would have been a major issue. Rex Oct 2014 #34
Painfully true, and truly painful. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #49
YUP! burrowowl Oct 2014 #39
Absolutely. joshcryer Oct 2014 #18
Wow, yet I wonder why this thread is mostly ignored? Rex Oct 2014 #6
because CIA is an executive branch agency. grasswire Oct 2014 #9
Are you seriously suggesting that those loyal to the President will shy away from Vattel Oct 2014 #11
Uh Aerows Oct 2014 #27
lol, I hope that is what grasswire was suggesting because it is clearly true. Vattel Oct 2014 #28
I think it is safe to say Aerows Oct 2014 #29
I knew that was grasswire's intent. My question was sort of tongue-in-cheek. Vattel Oct 2014 #31
Okay, didn't get it :D Aerows Oct 2014 #32
wink grasswire Oct 2014 #43
yes grasswire Oct 2014 #44
Octafish Aerows Oct 2014 #45
FYI "Both the Congress and the Executive Branch oversee the CIA’s activities." Number23 Oct 2014 #15
count 'em out grasswire Oct 2014 #20
I'm sure that made sense in your head Number23 Oct 2014 #23
Are you saying the Congress is responsible for the CIA spying on the Congress? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #37
I'm saying exactly what I said. Congress and the White House oversee the CIA Number23 Oct 2014 #40
why so insulting? grasswire Oct 2014 #42
Just responding in kind Number23 Oct 2014 #51
Yes our CIA agents are spying on the Senate lovuian Oct 2014 #8
The CIA has been WAY Aerows Oct 2014 #26
must read the whole article grasswire Oct 2014 #10
''Coziness'' between White House Chief of Staff and CIA Director. Nice. Octafish Oct 2014 #13
+10000 And this is where Third Way feigned concern stops. woo me with science Oct 2014 #58
"A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots." Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #14
that was telling Vattel Oct 2014 #30
Our intelligence complex is out of control. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #16
So out of control Aerows Oct 2014 #25
At Abu Ghraib, if not earlier at Iran-Contra, this nation lost what little was left of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #54
Shucks, we let 'em keep The 28 Pages, then it's party time. johnnyreb Oct 2014 #17
Journalists like James Risen noise Oct 2014 #50
Prosecute every last one of them. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #19
who are you talking about? nt grasswire Oct 2014 #21
I hope she is talking about those in the CIA Aerows Oct 2014 #24
Was the object of my sentence not clear? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #55
CIA Aerows Oct 2014 #22
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #33
please read the comments section at huffpost. grasswire Oct 2014 #35
I'm here Aerows Oct 2014 #46
thank you aerows grasswire Oct 2014 #62
+100000000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #57
I call that "sedition" Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #36
thank you for understanding the import of this grasswire Oct 2014 #41
Good lord PorridgeGun Oct 2014 #38
It's a rather devastating look Aerows Oct 2014 #47
This is so dangerous Aerows Oct 2014 #48
As is so often the case, Charlie Pierce of Esquire's "The Politics Blog" nails KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #52
perfect nt grasswire Oct 2014 #61
k and r nashville_brook Oct 2014 #56
Thank you for this thread. woo me with science Oct 2014 #59
And there are some here who think... Xolodno Oct 2014 #60
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