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aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
19. You misunderstand
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:32 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:49 PM - Edit history (1)

The fact Wilson's homicide is not a central issue is because Wilson has apparently admitted the homicide under oath before the grand jury. A defendant who testifies before the grand jury waives immunity at trial and the prosecutor can introduce that testimony as direct evidence and not just as impeachment evidence on cross examination. I would expect Wilson's defense attorney at trial to stipulate that he shot the bullet that killed Brown. I completely agree that a trial was necessary but the central issue would be whether the homicide was justified based on self defense or whether it was an unjustified murder.

At trial the prosecution won't have to struggle to prove that Wilson did it. He admits it. At a trial, the main controversy would involve whether Wilson was justified.

What I feel you misunderstand is that I agree with you, or rather your response to my post actually agreed with it. We are in agreement on the fact that this should have proceeded to jury trial based on the fact that Officer Wilson killed a man and admitted it. This is not a mysterious who done it where the defendant denies having even committed the act of killing. Every crime involves an "actus reus" or guilty act and a "mens rea", a guilty act done with a guilty mind. The actus reus has been admitted to by Wilson. But he claims that his act was justified as reasonable self defense and he didn't have a guilty mind or mens rea while doing it. His mental state should not be determined by a grand jury. It must be determined from all the facts and evidence, Only legal evidence that had the opportunity for both attorneys to object to if inappropriate and with an actual judge ruling on the admissibility of evidence should be examined by a jury. something that just doesn't happen in a grand jury proceeding,

That's what ticks me off. Even if you give Wilson consideration for being a policeman in a tough Hoyt Nov 2014 #1
McCulloch implied that Brown attacked Wilson. Kablooie Nov 2014 #6
He did. He hit him. maced666 Nov 2014 #9
When one points a finger, 3 more fingers are pointing back AT YOU! blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #2
McCulloch actually had the gall to say that the Grand Jury's responsibility KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #3
Thank you. Good point! merrily Nov 2014 #13
Exactly. But he used it as an ex parte trial--with only McCulloch there to DEFEND Wilson. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #24
It's always telling when prosecution acts as defense, isn't it? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #4
+1000 Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #11
He has great respect and pity for the jurors. Kablooie Nov 2014 #5
Is it true that McCulloch is a former cop, whose cop-father was killed... AzDar Nov 2014 #7
Yes... jonno99 Nov 2014 #10
Sounds to me like this would require a fair trial to determine the truth. world wide wally Nov 2014 #8
Im not so sure a trial would have a more favorable outcome davidn3600 Nov 2014 #14
You may be right (in theory), but doesn't everyone deserve a fair trial? world wide wally Nov 2014 #15
When there is no probable cause, nobody "deserves" a trial. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #26
It's rarely the killer's fault. They have it down to a science. merrily Nov 2014 #12
The fact that Wilson shot and killed Brown is not at issue aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #16
No. jeff47 Nov 2014 #17
You misunderstand aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #19
Didn't all the paperwork list Wilson as the victim? aquart Nov 2014 #37
This prosecuter has handled 5 cop killings and none were charged. sammy750 Nov 2014 #18
K&R...Thanks for posting, Hissyspit. red dog 1 Nov 2014 #20
As Rick Santorum would say.... czarjak Nov 2014 #21
It's Nixon's fault. He wants to be reelected by white majority in Mo. Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #22
He can't be re-elected loyalsister Nov 2014 #28
Well Darren Wilson's an alleged criminal, right n/t Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #29
They're on the same side loyalsister Nov 2014 #30
They're both criminals then, got it n/t Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #34
Prosecutor McCulloch keeps his job because Black people are TOO LAZY to get out and vote. sammy750 Nov 2014 #23
What are you talking about? McColluch ran unopposed. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #25
Let's Talk About The Physical Evidence DallasNE Nov 2014 #27
I suspect that they were anything but amateurish loyalsister Nov 2014 #31
interactive diagram from the WashPost BootinUp Nov 2014 #33
Drawing Is Not To Scale DallasNE Nov 2014 #35
I just listened to the gunshot recording, hadn't heard that before, BootinUp Nov 2014 #36
Worst. Lawyer. Ever. Dirty Socialist Nov 2014 #32
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