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DemocratSinceBirth

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276. I have been following this debate for nearly twenty years

Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:26 AM

Dec 2014

The AAP, CDC, AAFP, WHO, and the NIH have went from a neutral stance to a more favorable stance during that time period so it's illogical to assume they will reverse their course without a major intervening event.

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CDC: Circumcision Benefits Outweigh Risks [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 OP

Fuck that... Oktober Dec 2014 #1

Maybe it has survived because it has proven to be beneficial DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #2

The idea that folks are willing to cut off a portion of a baby's penis... Oktober Dec 2014 #3

Exactly. Let grown men have it done if they want to Mariana Dec 2014 #4

The reason they don't is because no man would... Oktober Dec 2014 #7

I did customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #221

Really?!? Orrex Dec 2014 #264

On the other hand customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #284

It's not funny to joke about child abuse FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #294

It's not child abuse, and that study is questionable. Orrex Dec 2014 #296

So cutting off a very sensitive part of a child's body without his consent FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #300

You are using a straw man Orrex Dec 2014 #301

What was the straw man? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #303

Seriously? Orrex Dec 2014 #305

For those who hate that the procedure was foisted on them FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #310

You know nothing of statistics or logic Orrex Dec 2014 #314

Oh really? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #315

Why do you ignore the majority of the post? Orrex Dec 2014 #322

just look online, there are videos and comments of FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #325

"Why do you ignore the majority of the post?" DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #349

It's not my job to find support for your claims Orrex Dec 2014 #354

There are many people who feel that they were robbed of the choice FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #369

What you think is hardly a convincing argument Orrex Dec 2014 #371

You haven't shown ANY evidence that Circumcision works FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #372

Ever heard of evidence based practice? BigDemVoter Dec 2014 #378

I really would have liked to have the choice, myself Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #326

Thank you for speaking up FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #332

Please refer me to the peer reviewed research... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #350

Again, any comparison between circumcision and female genital mutilation is offensive. Orrex Dec 2014 #367

have you discussed these feelings with your parents? irisblue Dec 2014 #386

You are trivializing PTSD DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #347

That was quick./NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #278

Yeah, medical condition customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #285

You don't know what you're talking about. Warpy Dec 2014 #103

Babies still feel pain during circumcision FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #248

Topical anesthetic does it for babies. Warpy Dec 2014 #266

Here's the problem with your statement FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #268

As if a small group of disgruntled circumcised men is dispositive of anything. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #277

Small? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #283

There are hundreds of millions of circumcised men in the world. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #286

Less than 20 percent of the world's men are circumcised FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #293

Don't worry - this thread with 300 replies but only 10 recs closeupready Dec 2014 #279

I find it sad that for a site that values a woman's right over her own body FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #295

It's also sad that people compare apples and oranges Orrex Dec 2014 #298

What's the difference between FGM and Circumcision? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #309

The comparison itself is offensive. Orrex Dec 2014 #313

What is the matter with FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #316

Because it's not a fair choice Orrex Dec 2014 #323

That doesn't make any sense FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #324

Because then it's not a fair choice Orrex Dec 2014 #358

It's not a fair choice? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #363

That's right--it's not a fair choice. Orrex Dec 2014 #368

So you did this procedure to your sons? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #370

Nope. A trained surgeon performed the procedure. Orrex Dec 2014 #373

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #375

FGM confers no medical benefits. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #351

Yep, I agree, but welcome to the real DU. closeupready Dec 2014 #306

Me neither FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #308

You insist on saying that circumcised men have been mutilated DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #352

you so worried about tiny pain d_r Dec 2014 #385

The studies indicate it is more than a few percentage points. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #5

Living ITSELF comes with a death sentence. closeupready Dec 2014 #12

The world has a 100% death rate - nothing changes that. You are absolutely correct. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #65

Then again.... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #174

not funny, but very funny, in a way, lol. closeupready Dec 2014 #192

Cutting off your fingers helps prevent hang nails evirus Dec 2014 #9

I rather have a hang nail than harbor the humanpapilloma virus... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #14

Hundreds of millions of men have lived WITH their foreskin. DetlefK Dec 2014 #35

How many of them gave some unsuspecting female the human papillomavirus that causes cervical cancer? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #46

Circumcision doesn't cause HPV immunity evirus Dec 2014 #64

But peer reviewed research suggests it reduces the incidence. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #69

How about instead of mutilating children... evirus Dec 2014 #76

From the peer reviewed reasearch DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #77

Risk and incidence are two different things evirus Dec 2014 #82

That's an improper hypothetical DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #107

You missed my point completely evirus Dec 2014 #176

It's fucking not an off chance. Just like the damn climate-deniers. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #134

Climate change is an observed fact, risk reduction is a statistic evirus Dec 2014 #177

Or when the science is just really, really crappy. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #217

So much of life goes by the slogan of Yupster Dec 2014 #150

You stand on the side of American science then FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #223

Well, since the United States has won the lion's share of Nobel Prizes in science and medicine... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #255

What does this have to do with circumcision FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #256

It has as much to do with your argument because the procedure isn't prevalent in Europe ... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #258

Europe and the US have similar kinds of populations FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #269

I have been following this debate for nearly twenty years DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #276

Yeah because of Cultural Bias FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #297

So bias is a function of time. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #299

I told you earlier FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #302

Your disagreement is not with DemocratSinceBirth but with the National Institute Of Health DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #304

Fine FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #311

There was research done on that FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #220

Good News! Here is something that is 100% (or close to it) Effective for Prevention of HPV! Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #164

I Like Vaccines otohara Dec 2014 #201

We are not evolutionarily perfect, by any means. earthside Dec 2014 #191

Yes, because a child's consent or refusal is 100% irrelvant. closeupready Dec 2014 #194

We should all remember that before poking vaccination needles into them? earthside Dec 2014 #211

Okay, good to know you do not support girls aborting their fetuses closeupready Dec 2014 #213

The irony about your claim about UTIs FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #247

The CDC, WHO, AAP, and AAFP disagree with you, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #251

The rest of the world's major health organizations disagree with the AAP/WHO/etc FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #259

You can find scientists who deny global warming is a real phenomenon... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #261

And they're usually laughed out of the room FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #263

You raise a good point... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #270

Maybe it's because there's better sexual education in the EU compared to the US FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #271

Total agreement. It's insane. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #63

I'm sure they feel pain LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #91

Well then, maybe we should do experiments on babies, for the sake of science LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #92

Yes, because that's just what I meant LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #94

that is what you said though LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #96

Actually your example made me laugh LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #99

Yeh, I get emotional about babies in pain, LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #100

Sick science? LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #102

I'm done. Whether it the CDC or whoever, anyone who thinks that LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #104

I don't believe the CDC dismissed the pain associated with the procedure DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #109

Are you a conservative? I am not trying to yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #161

Actually it's the same kind of argument nutters use to deny global warming... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #108

They do feel pain and they often show signs of PTSD 4-6 months after the procedure FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #249

Well, your contentions are specious. I can cite the peer reviewed research if you want DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #289

Good for you FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #292

LOL, Oswald was circumcised. So were the 9/11 hijackers! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! nt Logical Dec 2014 #120

Ok. So this study by scientists are balony, yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #159

I certainly believe that there's global warming FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #333

funny how some science is sacrosanct and some isn't. not. roguevalley Dec 2014 #162

If people want to be circumsized, great. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #6

Exactly nt abelenkpe Dec 2014 #51

+1 Tree-Hugger Dec 2014 #57

Yup ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #93

I second that motion. roamer65 Dec 2014 #119

Yes! Like vaccines!!!! nt Logical Dec 2014 #121

I'm afraid that's a very silly analogy. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #170

The analogy was exactly appropriate, given your initial framing. Orrex Dec 2014 #181

Hmm FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #222

The term "intact man" in this context is pointedly offensive Orrex Dec 2014 #240

Intact is most assuredly the correct term FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #245

If you persist in using that insulting term, then I have no reason to listen to you Orrex Dec 2014 #252

That's fine FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #257

Since you're the one making positive assertions, it's up to you to support them. Orrex Dec 2014 #260

Where is the research that makes circumcision good for the long run? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #262

Who said drawing blood can give you an itchy foot ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #280

Here Orrex Dec 2014 #281

LOL DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #287

Of course you'd say that, since you're biased in favor of American science. Orrex Dec 2014 #288

Perhaps the person suffering from this malady can get a governmental grant to further research it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #290

It's nice that you know so much about "circumcising" a newborn FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #334

Life is tough... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #346

The claim that circumcision reduces sexual pleasure for the circumcised and his partner is specious DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #275

It's actually not specious FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #335

In my best Jack Nicholson voice, you want peer reviewed research... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #344

However, there are numerous European studies that FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #345

The encounter was over thirty years ago and I'm alive. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #348

more education on proper penile cleaning is needed, simpler, effective uppityperson Dec 2014 #8

"Everybody " knows sex is safer with condoms. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #10

People get lazy. I'm 840high Dec 2014 #128

rather than using good hygiene, cut it off? weird, imo uppityperson Dec 2014 #139

His body, his choice. closeupready Dec 2014 #11

mutilate? belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #16

It is the literal definition... Oktober Dec 2014 #17

it's hyperbolic belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #19

If you saw a million people with their right ear lopped off... Oktober Dec 2014 #20

i dont see many penises but that's not a good analogy maybe if the whole thing was cut off belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #22

So... BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #26

i dont consider circumcision mutilation belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #33

Neither do the cultures who cut off a girl's clitoris... Oktober Dec 2014 #37

no one is cutting off any penises- they are not the same belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #40

Well BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #45

Just a portion of it.. Oktober Dec 2014 #47

Neither do cultures that perform FGM BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #41

i dont think fgm is the same as circumcision belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #43

FGM occurs along a spectrum BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #48

It isn't. And anyone who says otherwise can be ignored. Orrex Dec 2014 #200

It's ironic, isn't it? FGM is considered savagery - rightfully, since closeupready Dec 2014 #36

Are there any scientific reasons for FGM. The only reason I have heard is to madinmaryland Dec 2014 #111

I take it, then, you support father trump cards on abortion closeupready Dec 2014 #124

Huh? I'm not exactly sure where you are going. Are you comparing abortions to circumcisions?? madinmaryland Dec 2014 #125

There have been a few studies suggesting for HIV and other diseases. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #183

Could you please direct me to the peer reviewed research... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #353

This was among prostitutes, so not rendered incapable of having sex. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #389

In your example, is there science supporting the removal of the excess skin? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #67

It's not excess skin FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #336

No, it's not. rug Dec 2014 #21

i thought he meant the literal def of mutilate belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #23

It also accurately applies to tattoos and piercings. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #44

Anyone who tattoos a baby should probably get a CPS visit as well... Oktober Dec 2014 #49

Haven't seen that, but I know a lot of folks Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #132

And, laundry_queen Dec 2014 #153

I'm the same FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #337

It's in the dictionary. Look it up. closeupready Dec 2014 #30

so is hyperbole check it out belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #34

My father had his "pencil sharpened" when he was 80. meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #13

agreed i dont think i'd want it done now belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #15

because the thought of the pain is unbearable, babies feel that pain too LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #71

having had it done when i was a baby i dont remember any pain or anything else about it belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #78

Wow BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #81

well if it's any comfort i dont have any male children belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #83

heh BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #88

oh please - wow didnt you just leap off hyperbole cliff. belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #89

yeah BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #98

Not really d_r Dec 2014 #155

The justification based on remembering it is terrible BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #163

It is why pitocin d_r Dec 2014 #209

Benefits are marginal imo BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #215

it basically innoculates the kid against penile cancer d_r Dec 2014 #229

Since this is the silly season and folks are arguing circumcision turns men into eunuchs... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #395

I agree d_r Dec 2014 #154

when i said that this is what someone said to me belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #172

It did hurt you FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #338

I'm telling you d_r Dec 2014 #340

How do you know it didn't hurt? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #342

why do yuou think it did? d_r Dec 2014 #384

I actually watched Stargazer09 Dec 2014 #145

I saw it too d_r Dec 2014 #157

They didn't cry because they were in shock FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #339

My sons are not stupid Stargazer09 Dec 2014 #360

Really? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #362

Do you advocate showing women what an abortion looks like before they receive one... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #380

Sounds like you're the one with issues Stargazer09 Dec 2014 #412

Not much of a sample size phil89 Dec 2014 #24

Thank you-I was forced for medical reasons to have the operation in my early 50's... Rowdyboy Dec 2014 #79

Ah, is it circumcision month again? MineralMan Dec 2014 #18

always a pleasure to see it return for another round! Has any mind been changed? CTyankee Dec 2014 #31

no but I am waiting to see some new jokes! snooper2 Dec 2014 #80

Did you hear that Magellan circumsized the world with a 30 foot clipper? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #138

Now, THAT is BAD...whatsa matta you? CTyankee Dec 2014 #274

OY! CTyankee Dec 2014 #141

To cut or not to cut... MineralMan Dec 2014 #254

I'm staying out of it - I don't have a dick in this fight. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #227

LOL! MineralMan Dec 2014 #253

Two thirds of the world gets along fine without it BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #25

Give them time, and DU's pro-penis mutilation camp will devise closeupready Dec 2014 #29

Yet FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #224

This has always been one of DU's best debate starters. upaloopa Dec 2014 #27

well, I'm ready at the flame fest! Let the excitement begin! CTyankee Dec 2014 #143

We should start a thread for "Circumcision Techniques" kentauros Dec 2014 #250

Pity all those poor, unhealthy European men mainer Dec 2014 #28

When they get older and have illnesses JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #32

Do your relatives live in Europe or in the US? Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #233

Europe JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #243

Their situations aren't unique DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #396

I think so . . . JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #409

I'm not here to proselytize. I respect any decision a parent makes. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #410

I would agree JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #411

pity all those mutilated men suffering the disfiguring horror of circumcision belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #38

self delete mnhtnbb Dec 2014 #58

Dear circumcision-proponents, please consider this: DetlefK Dec 2014 #39

If the appendix was a culprit in the spread of HIV and the HPV virus that causes... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #59

dont forget tonsils and wisdom teeeth belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #84

Well DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #110

It serves a practical purpose. Mariana Dec 2014 #114

they serve a practical purpose? belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #115

Whether or not they serve a practical purpose is of no moment. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #117

Yup. I had 4 of my molars pro-actively yanked Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #137

Would certainly have saved me a lot of pain later on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #136

Logically d_r Dec 2014 #158

If the appendix was an external organ, ecstatic Dec 2014 #231

Proof that the war on men is alive and kicking. Glassunion Dec 2014 #42

American exceptionalism. subterranean Dec 2014 #50

Actually it's the norm in all countries with majority muslim populations. cbayer Dec 2014 #52

I meant neonatal circumcision for non-religious reasons. subterranean Dec 2014 #60

Ok, I agree with your point. cbayer Dec 2014 #66

Look at that chart Harmony Blue Dec 2014 #166

The World Health Organization made this recommendation several years ago pnwmom Dec 2014 #97

For African countries with high HIV Prevalence, not for developed countries. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #184

The results of the studies do not apply only to African countries. pnwmom Dec 2014 #214

The WHO has never recommended circumcision for the developed world. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #216

The studies can be extrapolated because they accounted for differences in hygiene pnwmom Dec 2014 #218

Until similar findings can be replicated in the 1st world Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #232

The thousands of men in the study all followed the same hygiene practices pnwmom Dec 2014 #234

Let me know when the results of these studies get replicated Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #235

Right. Because African men are just so different. pnwmom Dec 2014 #236

No, because African social conditions are just so different. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #238

You're the one who thinks the US is a special snowflake. pnwmom Dec 2014 #239

I would like to see studies that compare circumcision to improved hygiene cbayer Dec 2014 #53

I addressed it... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #55

I feel certain that there are studies that compare the two. cbayer Dec 2014 #62

It's not some cosmic mystery. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #70

I suspect you are right, but I like data, particularly when I want to make cbayer Dec 2014 #90

The World Health Organization studies used thousands of subjects pnwmom Dec 2014 #86

I'm not even familiar with what their findings were. cbayer Dec 2014 #95

The findings were all with subjects in Sub Saharan Africa Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #185

That's exactly what I am asking for as well. cbayer Dec 2014 #202

It's not really being used as "a solution to a problem". Mariana Dec 2014 #204

I don't think you will see much change in rates done for religious reasons, but cbayer Dec 2014 #205

It is slowly but certainly going out of style Mariana Dec 2014 #207

I am concerned that this kind of announcement will not only stop but reverse cbayer Dec 2014 #208

There is no problem to solve Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #237

Trash thread. Iggo Dec 2014 #54

If it's of no moment why do health organizations... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #56

No thanks. Iggo Dec 2014 #74

My goal is to edify, nothing more and nothing less.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #75

because it's simple, easy to understand. people post stuff of great importance it gets belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #85

The WHO revisited it so they could conduct definitive studies because it is so important pnwmom Dec 2014 #87

Answer ... bread and butter $urgery Trillo Dec 2014 #105

Follow the money. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #142

i bet laundry_queen Dec 2014 #156

It's the sort of business Mitt Romney would get into LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #199

I agree, it's completely disgusting. Trillo Dec 2014 #203

It's a power/control trip. mnhtnbb Dec 2014 #61

There's also a weird obsession that baby boys' penises Mariana Dec 2014 #72

This place needs a circumcision forum. n/t Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #68

Word. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Dec 2014 #101

I was circumcized as an infant... 99Forever Dec 2014 #106

!!!!!!!!! 840high Dec 2014 #129

+1 Stargazer09 Dec 2014 #146

+2 d_r Dec 2014 #160

+1 Go Vols Dec 2014 #169

Child Abuse FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #173

That's the most ridiculous tripe I seen in weeks. 99Forever Dec 2014 #178

How do you know? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #219

None of your gawddamn business. 99Forever Dec 2014 #225

That's fine FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #226

You can do a study... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #355

Oh I don't have to do that- it's already been done FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #365

Well, that study will certainly pass scientific muster./NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #366

and now for some classy penis jokes olddots Dec 2014 #112

Haven't seen this much interest in the penis since the great Liam Neeson v. Huey Lewis debate. Efilroft Sul Dec 2014 #113

And yet, it is still a choice which should be made from an informed position Bettie Dec 2014 #116

It's genital mutilation, plain and simple. roamer65 Dec 2014 #118

Are DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #307

So do you agree that FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #312

Do you oppose vaccination? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #317

Not at all FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #320

Ergo you approve of making a permanent change to the child's body without the child's consent Orrex Dec 2014 #321

Which part of the child's body is permanently changed? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #328

Now THAT'S changing the goalposts. Orrex Dec 2014 #356

It's not, it's a perfectly valid question FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #364

Nothing in any of your posts suggests that there's any reason to believe you Orrex Dec 2014 #374

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #376

Juror #3, wiser than I, has suggested that I stop responding to you. Orrex Dec 2014 #377

That's an ad hominem and tu quoque attack and a rather nasty one at that. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #379

The same organization that told us Ebola could be safely treated Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #122

LOL, were you an ebola hair on fire poster? nt Logical Dec 2014 #123

No I was not, but the CDC's contention Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #130

It was fixed QUICK! No other deaths and no massive spread. We handled it GREAT! nt Logical Dec 2014 #140

It was fixed quick because social conditions in this country Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #147

Gotta stop those boys from masturbating. roamer65 Dec 2014 #126

Never heard of that before. Why would it stop them from masturbating? nt. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #265

It didn't. But that was one of the first reasons for it. subterranean Dec 2014 #282

Science is a wonderful thing mythology Dec 2014 #127

Science is a wonderful thing. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #133

I wonder if the same benefits could be achieved Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #131

Very few men are circumcised here (UK) Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #135

And you're all dropping dead from STDs and infections. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #148

I am curious if the unsnipped, you know, last longer Skittles Dec 2014 #318

No idea Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #319

Oops, I thought this was about the Chris Christy post. JEB Dec 2014 #144

Circ in the USA started during the Victorian era xfundy Dec 2014 #149

Maybe we should cut off infants' index fingers to prevent firearm deaths, too. Marr Dec 2014 #151

people thougth buts were going to explode the internet d_r Dec 2014 #152

Only in the U.S. is this junk science pushed Harmony Blue Dec 2014 #165

Nazis in WW2 HockeyMom Dec 2014 #206

I've also heard of this... eom Purveyor Dec 2014 #331

Brian Morris has done sixty four papers on the efficacy of circumcision... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #359

There is no significant benefits to circumcision to human populations Harmony Blue Dec 2014 #393

The research suggests: DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #394

He's also a circumcision fetishist, who gets off on it sexually. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #398

"He's also a circumcision fetishist, who gets off on it sexually." DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #403

I have no wish to get into a back and forth debate with you about this. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #405

My final word is I respect your opinion and I am no more or less passionate about mine ... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #406

My fellow UNcircumcised chaps Applan Dec 2014 #167

Sponsored by Hospitals Inc. budkin Dec 2014 #168

Two words: Olive Garden. OK, a few more words. cali Dec 2014 #171

like so many men of his generation, my husband was circumcised at birth and in his mid 20s he CTyankee Dec 2014 #188

Excellent point, too often overlooked. Orrex Dec 2014 #189

Circumcision is state-sanctioned child abuse FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #175

Well, so is Common Core Orrex Dec 2014 #180

Men have UglyGreed Dec 2014 #179

I'd like to see the studies they relied on. It seems it was only the Africa studies. morningfog Dec 2014 #182

Yes there are, and they are much higher in the US. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #186

Link please. morningfog Dec 2014 #187

Later as I'm currently on my cell phone. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #193

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #391

None of that compares circumcised and not cut morningfog Dec 2014 #392

You asked for links comparing STD rates in the US and Europe. Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #397

Yes , those two links are what I looking for. morningfog Dec 2014 #407

But people who choose to have their sons cut Mariana Dec 2014 #408

Cornflake chicken! Olive Garden! HappyMe Dec 2014 #190

Why does circumcision get thrown in with Olive Garden ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #195

Because in both cases the tips are small. Orrex Dec 2014 #196

I tip 20% wherever I go. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #197

Oh Lord, why do people get so excited about Foreskin and if a parent opts to have it removed from dilby Dec 2014 #198

Oh, now you've done it! Sigh...I have gone down that road as I have Jewish grandkids and CTyankee Dec 2014 #212

The real fetish is FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #341

pride of ownership olddots Dec 2014 #210

I don't have a foreskin in this fight. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #228

Science. ecstatic Dec 2014 #230

Abracadabra. closeupready Dec 2014 #242

This obviously draws out suppressed angst. Socal31 Dec 2014 #241

I'm amazed that there are 243 replies and no one has used the word "Smegma". Bonobo Dec 2014 #244

I'm surprised too FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #246

No question can exist that genders each have a distinct body odor. closeupready Dec 2014 #267

"The filthy and hypocritical judgmental attitudes that you have." merrily Dec 2014 #401

The comments to the CDC's statement can be seen here FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2014 #272

What are the benefits of Snip vs benefits of teaching good hygiene? They are comparing what are uppityperson Dec 2014 #273

Yes. That is the important and unanswered question. morningfog Dec 2014 #291

its sort of amusing how science is sacrosanct until you disagree. :D roguevalley Dec 2014 #327

All I can add to this thread is practical experience. nilesobek Dec 2014 #329

Will you describe the creepy way you were approached about it, please? Mariana Dec 2014 #330

Oh yeah. nilesobek Dec 2014 #343

Did you report her? ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #357

No it was a public hospital. nilesobek Dec 2014 #383

I've always wondered if God ordered Abraham to circumcise Mariana Dec 2014 #361

Weird thing is that I'm still open minded to opposing arguments. nilesobek Dec 2014 #381

It's part of religious freedom. nt Omnith Dec 2014 #382

Whose religious freedom? Mariana Dec 2014 #388

What does religious freedom have to do with the state officially promoting child genital cutting? Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #390

Politics as usual at the CDC. McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #387

I thought this has been well known for 100's of years. ileus Dec 2014 #399

Yes. In the 19th Century it was proven to cure masturbation, Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #400

So, maybe for people who never shower or bathe. I would have liked to have made my own decision RKP5637 Dec 2014 #402

Male genital mutilation IMO. Let the victim decide for themselves. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #404