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Showing Original Post only (View all)I don't understand why some DU members show support for the FACTS that ... [View all]
... when Dems controlled the federal government with a super-majority in the Senate, all we got was a Heritage Foundation health insurance give-away, and when we lost the House and that super-majority slipped but we still had a majority in the Senate and the White House we got unregulated derivatives and more dark money in elections?
Isn't the Democratic Party supposed to do us better than that? How can one be a Democrat and say that this is OK?
Shouldn't Democrats be disgusted with these FACTS?
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Scuba
Jan 2015
OP
You think they didn't try? If they pushed for that I bet we wouldn' have any health care program at
Maraya1969
Jan 2015
#282
You are forgetting Joe Lieberman, again. He was the INDEPENDENT who voted for the ACA
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#106
Are you sure that a bill passed by reconciliation is subject to the 60 vote Cloture rule?
merrily
Jan 2015
#214
Yea but it took a lot of time and fancy dance steps to get there. Doesn't anyone
Maraya1969
Jan 2015
#283
Why were his chairs not removed for that act of treason to the party who welcomed him back AFTER
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#122
Why did you say that the ACA was passed with only Dem votes when you knew that was false?
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#182
Lieberman was given special privileges in order to support Dems. Why did you not point that out?
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#221
That didn't make him a Dem. It helped the Dems much of the time, but not with the ACA.
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#224
You've already been told, his vote wasn't needed. The ACA was passed, by what LIBERALS had
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#236
Yeah, I've already been told a LIE. His vote was needed, because the only bill that could be passed
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#239
Not to mention that he campaigned in 2008 for Peter King and Susan Collins! n/t
markpkessinger
Jan 2015
#262
Everyone LOVES to forget Max Baucus, the Democrat that had Single Payer
nationalize the fed
Jan 2015
#161
He wasn't a Dem any longer, he was a bitter Independent who remained so he could throw
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#212
I agree that the less Dems are like the RW, the better, which is exactly why I oppose Third Wayers
merrily
Jan 2015
#305
Third Way is a Think Tank and they are far from being Democrats. How do we know?
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#317
I'm not following you. The process is supposed to be about the PEOPLE who hire
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#320
"Too bad we didn't know about them when they first started implementing their agenda in our party."
merrily
Jan 2015
#323
So this is really about "some here" calling Hillary a Third Wayer, not the post of mine re the ACA?
merrily
Jan 2015
#318
When Ted Kennedy died, he was replaced by an appointee who would have voted as Ted wanted.
merrily
Jan 2015
#184
"Why it continues to be framed as a refusal to understand when it is a difference of opinion ..."
Scuba
Jan 2015
#213
The White House never bothered contacting Joe Lieberman asking him to support the public option.
pa28
Jan 2015
#330
Yeah but we only had it a short while and like the blue dogs fucked things up....
Autumn
Jan 2015
#2
I like the fantasy put forth that electing more dems will make congress more liberal.
KG
Jan 2015
#4
+ 1. Yep. That's basically what that poster is advocating. Cleverly, of course. eom
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#129
Electing Democrats is a great idea. And that is what we intend to do from now on.
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#322
Why don't we give them a choice and find our? A Republican running against a
A Simple Game
Jan 2015
#74
You assume that most voters in red districts want a super-progressive Democrat
YoungDemCA
Jan 2015
#144
Super duper liberal on steroids? Why stop at "super" progressive, whatever the
merrily
Jan 2015
#225
The progressives didn't have control. The Blue Damn Dogs voted with Repubs
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#86
You are still talking about perception. Talk about results. We are sinking into economic mire,
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#92
What keeps me awake is knowing that there are those that will vote for anyone
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#171
Interesting that some seem to continue the meme that progressives don't vote.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#197
Do you understand why some "Democrats" disparage the left by claiming that they don't vote?
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#219
You're not supposed to complain about the size of your crumbs, or you'll get Republicans!
Scuba
Jan 2015
#222
It's all about authoritarianism. People are raised to totally trust authority. That's why parents
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#269
My point was trying to answer why some would settle for ACA instead of single payer or a public
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#267
I was not faulting you or your post in any way. I'd been wondering as I was reading down the thread
merrily
Jan 2015
#275
No. Everyone who says that seems also to say no one has a chance at winning except HRC.
merrily
Jan 2015
#229
One of the most important decisions made in the last bunch of decades was the
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#163
Not to mention that there are tools like the filibuster and personal holds that the minority Rs used
jwirr
Jan 2015
#93
call them DINOs if you want but those are the ones that gave us control of chambers & committees
MrMickeysMom
Jan 2015
#168
Is delusional the word of the week? Cause y'all sure are using it all over the place.
Autumn
Jan 2015
#23
Nice. I wasn't even aware his approval rating has hit 50%, he should have a high approval rating.
Autumn
Jan 2015
#147
And who would know that better than Scuba who does it all the time, eh, Scuba? eom
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#154
Oh by the way since you brought up Obamas approval rating. It has been rumored that he's going
Autumn
Jan 2015
#155
Not bad for a third-way, Republican-lite, right-of-center President Obama, eh? eom
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#169
After his speech where he's going to push for these Liberal populist goals what do you think?
Autumn
Jan 2015
#172
He has already been talking them up. January 9 was the start, I think. From Air Force 1, no less.
merrily
Jan 2015
#237
Yes, we were told it was the fault of the Blue Dogs. Then when the voters said, 'okay then, let's
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#73
Everyone overlooks that pesky little fact that not one puke voted for the ACA but it was passed
Autumn
Jan 2015
#82
Of course not. They will change the rules, as Dems should have done while they had the chance.
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#125
mostly they've moved on to just writing OPs about how "true Democrats" are okay with X and Y
MisterP
Jan 2015
#193
Republicans always get what they want. That is Rule #1 for the past 30 years.
world wide wally
Jan 2015
#10
National politics in the US is akin to pro wrestling; opponents huff and puff yet share a beer...
1bigdude
Jan 2015
#13
Democratic socialism drastically improves the lives of all, including the rich...but the rich dont
NoJusticeNoPeace
Jan 2015
#33
How did they obstruct when we had the House, a super-majority in the Senate and the White House?
Scuba
Jan 2015
#30
And do you think the perpetual outraged congregating under this thread care about those facts?
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#141
We had a filibuster-proof super-majority in the Senate for all of 24 working days.
SunSeeker
Jan 2015
#121
The ACA was based on the Massachusetts plan passed by a liberal legislature, vetoed by Romney then
pampango
Jan 2015
#26
No. It's actually health care reform, too. I'm surprised you don't know that. eom
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#187
Oh you like me, that doesn't surprise me at all. Obama called it insurance finance reform
Autumn
Jan 2015
#190
Because a lot of other countries operate with Linux or Unix or Windows 8.1. We use Vista.
BlueJazz
Jan 2015
#29
Excuses. Bush never had such control of Congress, yet he got almost everything he wanted.
Scuba
Jan 2015
#35
because a corrupt shell of a labor party uses the fig leaf of "governing"
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#50
How on earth is passing what you ran on and voters elected you to pass obstructing and anti-
merrily
Jan 2015
#235
Republicans blocked Meiers and he did get Roberts and Alito who are younger and therefore worse
merrily
Jan 2015
#241
My thoughts exactly. Can we let Republicans do the re-writing of history to bash Obama? Please.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#44
You're joking, right? (No, you're just out to bash Democrats come hell or high water)
frazzled
Jan 2015
#57
Exactly, iandhr.. I'm glad you were helped by having Obamacare as many many others have been and
Cha
Jan 2015
#70
I don't remember the Democrats having a super majority in the House in recent years
George II
Jan 2015
#60
Oh you with your documented facts. Hush now. You're liable to burst bubbles.
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#191
The fact is, all democrats aren't in agreement when it comes to healthcare and fiscal policy. nt
ecstatic
Jan 2015
#68
Perhaps your narrow reading of history is a convenient half truth for your warp view of history
Johonny
Jan 2015
#72
Mahalo Johonny for the info.. Like VP Biden said about ACA.. it's a BFD. Working for our country
Cha
Jan 2015
#97
we had a skin-of-the-teeth "supermajority" for like 2 months, which included Lieberman
yodermon
Jan 2015
#84
Seems to me the real question everyone dances around is this: is a Blue Dog in a red
KingCharlemagne
Jan 2015
#194
There's much of substance in your post and I'm afraid I may be too much of a
KingCharlemagne
Jan 2015
#279
Thank you. I was not looking for your answers. As I said, they were rhetorial, food for
merrily
Jan 2015
#295
If that's all you think we got, you must either have been living under a rock
NYC Liberal
Jan 2015
#96
People who claim to dislike President Obama because he didn't push for single-payer always
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#150
I'm for single-payer, too, but I don't want to wait 15-30 years for it to happen
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#162
A surprise for the irrational to realize that other people may extrapolate and interpret facts...
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#126
It's because for all but 24 days, Dems didn't have a super-majority in the Senate.
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#145
As other posters have noted upthread, there never was a "super-majority" during Obama's term
YoungDemCA
Jan 2015
#148
Good. It's time DU members and other Democratic voters start holding elected Democrats accountable.
Scuba
Jan 2015
#226
I got thouroughly disgusted in 2007 when they voted to keep funding the Iraq War.
Fuddnik
Jan 2015
#245
You said "Isn't the Democratic Party supposed to do us better than that? How can one be a
Progressive dog
Jan 2015
#259
Many are still going bankrupt because of medical bills and generic prescription prices are going
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#281
Absolutely. Most of us are disgusted. The rest double-down on 3rd way trickle-down.
whereisjustice
Jan 2015
#274
I never mentioned the length of the super majority, which, by the way, was more than 27 days ...
Scuba
Jan 2015
#297
Any comment on Democratic Party ineffectiveness while holding a simple majority? December 2014?
Scuba
Jan 2015
#301
Interesting. To me this is less about Obama than the Democratic Party in Washington as a whole.
Scuba
Jan 2015
#308
"Supermajority" means 60 plus real Dems in the Senate. We did not have that.
McCamy Taylor
Jan 2015
#292
facts under obama meant we needed a filibuster proof majority + franken was not sworn in for months.
pansypoo53219
Jan 2015
#293
Any comment on Democratic Party ineffectiveness while holding a simple majority? December 2014?
Scuba
Jan 2015
#302