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In reply to the discussion: How many DUers are old enough to have experienced our bad losses? [View all]Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)21. "because of a challenge from the left in the primaries" - is horseshit.
Carter did not lose because he faced a challenge from Kennedy.
I was proud to have voted for McGovern and never felt the slightest need to hide that fact.
What I was ashamed of was the full scale retreat of the Democratic Party from its core New Deal principles, a retreat that started with Carter and culminated with Clinton. We now have a Democratic president who could openly admire the right wing Raw Deal of Ronald Reagan as a good thing for America.
I look at how the right dealt with their devastating defeat in 1964. They didn't give up. They went back to work. 16 years later they took over the country and ended the New Deal.
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"but the centrists did when we ran progressives" = +100. Not only abandoned, but sabotaged.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#192
Agreed. I am old enough to remember that also. And I go further back. We nominated Jimmy
jwirr
Feb 2015
#210
Mike Royko, a columnist in Chicago, called him Governor Moonbeam. It was sick, but it was all over
Hekate
Feb 2015
#108
Like I said, I liked his columns. They appeared in some paper where I was living in college...
Hekate
Feb 2015
#216
Both Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton are borderline geniuses in their own right and
randys1
Feb 2015
#203
The trouble is that "have to adopt some of it" only lasts up until inauguration.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#206
Because it fits the narrative they are trying to spin and their ideology.
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#148
Also true. But Perot was popular because the economy was terrible and had been terrible
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#121
So we elected a Clinton and Perot's prediction proved true. I don't want to make that mistake
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#204
The arguments don't square. Two of the oldest elections involved the first times we had serious
newthinking
Feb 2015
#122
Jerry Brown has turned California around. When he was elected, the nation was laughing at our
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#92
Ya. Ricky Ray Rector executed. Don't Ask Don't Tell and NAFTA. Just fucking hilarious.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#18
Eugene McCarthy had pretty well been reduced to Harold Stassen status by '92
Algernon Moncrieff
Feb 2015
#161
Gods, do I remember. But it's kind of like being able to remember polio and measles around here...
Hekate
Feb 2015
#9
The only way to alter the two party system is to amend the constitution to end the electoral college
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#14
It's especially difficult when we mock attempts by the states to call a Constitutional Convention.
Bonobo
Feb 2015
#26
Not a tough call with the number of state legislatures in the hands of theocratic GOP.
longship
Feb 2015
#79
I think the Constitution needs to be modernized, but there are no set procedures for it
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2015
#113
"because of a challenge from the left in the primaries" - is horseshit.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#21
Oh, don't mention historical facts that fairly convincingly challenge the OP's premise.
Hissyspit
Feb 2015
#240
Anyone who talks about the 1980 race without mentioning "Iran", "hostage crisis", and...
JHB
Feb 2015
#230
I was just commenting on the better times as opposed to our losses.....kind of a positive spin.
GP6971
Feb 2015
#71
LBJ had signed the Civil Rights Act and had gotten us deeper into the Viet Nam War.
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#100
LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. The South has voted against Democrats for the most part since
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#102
But I doubt that Hillary will be viewed as having much that is Southern in her background.
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#135
It's been more than 20 years since Hillary had any visible connection to the state
Art_from_Ark
Feb 2015
#136
Some of us can remember the way Nixon sabotaged the Paris peace talks to win the election
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#25
How about Ronnie with the Iran hostage issue? I firmly believe treason doesn't apply
GP6971
Feb 2015
#42
I remember, "Don't change Dicks in the middle of the Screw. Vote for Nixon in '72."
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#29
He had a Democratic Congress and a packed Supreme Court. The rules have now been changed
pnwmom
Feb 2015
#77
Personality is also a factor. And Hillary does not have a winning personality. Bill did. Hillary
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#104
Mondale and Dukakis were extreme (in what way?) but Reagan and Junior Bush are moderate men of the
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#151
+1. There seems to be some collection amnesia going around about what
winter is coming
Feb 2015
#267
The Party flushed McGovern down the toilet is the actual story. And the rest weren't
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#97
I first heard that stale Third Way talking point ("too liberal") from jiacinto
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2015
#117
Last November Oregon had 70% turnout, Democratic victory, the midterm before that, 2010 we
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#170
These are an over simplification of how politics works. Most of the liberals you mentioned lost
craigmatic
Feb 2015
#60
Marriage equality happened/is happening at the state level and in the courts.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2015
#62
what common tack do you see in those losses? liberal left-wingdom? carter? dukakis?
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#87
Carter didn't lose because of a "challenge from the left in the primaries"
Art_from_Ark
Feb 2015
#105
You mean the way that Mondale and Dukakis ran cringeworthy bad campaigns?
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2015
#106
Think you're implying the wrong lessons to be learned from your examples
lexington filly
Feb 2015
#111
Hillary fans have nothing but dishonest sales pitches about why we should move to the right. /nt
Marr
Feb 2015
#124
Sure, we can go ahead and forget the assassination of RFK, Nixon's Vietnam talk sabotage,
villager
Feb 2015
#129
When you look back the only election we lost that we should have won is 00.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#164
Now, THAT is fucking awesome! The liberal left has been responsible for ALL losses! Well done!
djean111
Feb 2015
#159
Nowadays the bashing comes from the Third Way, which has successfully taken over the Democratic
djean111
Feb 2015
#179
I think those who are to the left of Thrid Way are making a huge error by constantly monitizing and
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#183
You give me marriage equality? Please stop that bullshit. Marriage equality is a result of hard
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#167
So, MohRokTah - on which issues specifically do you suggest we "find common ground"
bullwinkle428
Feb 2015
#168
Do you think Muskie would have been able to beat Nixon? I've asked this question before, but never
Chathamization
Feb 2015
#186
"'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." - Alfred Lord Tennyson
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2015
#190
Typical of today's DU, an OP bashing "the left" and full of distortions gets over 50 recs...
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#198
At least they were pretty quiet about it. Because the OP was thoroughly debunked in many posts.
ieoeja
Feb 2015
#239
"That was a landslide that made me afraid to ever admit I was a Democrat in my local school."
KamaAina
Feb 2015
#213
I would say that Barack Obama is certainly the most liberal president since 1960.
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#228
"pretend their decimation of the party over the last 2 decades never happened" = indeed.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#259
yes, and I'm old enough to remember when there were liberal Republicans
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2015
#270