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Amimnoch

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15. Even with the single payer option, it was never healthcare reform, just health insurance reform.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 02:16 PM
Feb 2015

What we REALLY need, more than anything is health care reform, not just insurance.

The plan I've laid out in each one of these threads I've come across for years, and have sent to my representatives:

Health insurance reform alone does not address the medical needs of the people who need health care the most. We need more hospitals, clinics, and hospital staff. We already have, right now, networks of charity hospitals, University hospitals, and free clinics. These have been getting pillaged and plundered by cost reductions for decades, but even so, you'd be hard pressed to find a single city in the US with a population of 150,000 or more that doesn't have some sort of free clinic/University/charity hospital available. That's the good news. The bad news.. these places are under staffed, under funded, and in such a dire state of affairs that nobody who is ill wants to be caught dead in them (or die in them as it would stand).

My proposal:
1. Infuse the funding for these places. Pick 10x military bases around the world that no longer serve a viable function, and redistribute the funds to support these facilities.
2. Just as the military has ROTC and various medical scholarships to fund the staffing of military hospitals, expand those programs for the civilian clinics and hospitals.
3. Path to success programs for inner city public school children, and public school children coming from low income families who show the best aptitude. Provide University programs for these children to be the next generation of Nurses, Dr.'s, PA's, Hospital administrators, and specialists. Tie to these degrees a requirement of a proportional number of years of required service at free clinics, and public health care facilities and hospitals at a reasonable salary.

SOOO many more benefits than just a health insurance reform. Available free, or cost controlled healthcare for all. A way out for poor families (if just one child of a struggling working poor family can make it in this program, this doesn't just help the kid but in most cases the entire family benefits!). A way for the free clinics/hospitals to actually become an appealing option for those who don't have the luxury of Cadillac healthcare plans.

Of course it threw us to the wolves. world wide wally Feb 2015 #1
Yes, we have to pay. Insurance companies sustain no losses in real life situations like the free DhhD Feb 2015 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #74
How corporate Democrates colluded with Republicans to trash the public option: woo me with science Feb 2015 #95
Why do you think it passed? hughee99 Feb 2015 #2
Ugh - seeing that photo BlueMTexpat Feb 2015 #3
Sorry RiverLover Feb 2015 #8
I truly despise that smarmy Lieberdweeb. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #35
LIEberman Joe Bacon Feb 2015 #41
Sleezerman. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #65
I think that may be one of the reasons why it works for so many of us here in MN. We had already jwirr Feb 2015 #4
Lieberman is scum. bigwillq Feb 2015 #5
And at the time he was head of the "Joe Lieberman for Joe Lieberman Party", annabanana Feb 2015 #9
All about Joe. bigwillq Feb 2015 #10
I remember what the party did to Lamont MisterP Feb 2015 #22
Remember the Standing Ovation given to Lieberman.... bvar22 Feb 2015 #23
and then they wagged their fingers and told us that supporting third parties was what got MisterP Feb 2015 #28
+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #49
damnit! Phlem Feb 2015 #39
I remember the standing ovation and the Committee Chairs he received from the Party sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #79
And we all knew that at the time. SheilaT Feb 2015 #6
This can't be stated often enough. If the media has it's way, annabanana Feb 2015 #7
LEAVE OBAMA ALONE Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #11
Yes! Stop with the crticism of Obama! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #52
"The Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act" kath Feb 2015 #12
That's exactly what I've been saying........ mrmpa Feb 2015 #44
Can't believe Gore chose that traitor as his VP pick... C Moon Feb 2015 #13
I think, without Lieberman, Gore would have won.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #32
I suspect Lieberman was foisted on Gore by TPTB. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #36
Good guess. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #54
If I remember correctly, the two of them didn't even like each other tblue37 Feb 2015 #64
He probably gave Gore the creeps. :D C Moon Feb 2015 #75
Even as I voted for Gore I never felt Enthusiast Feb 2015 #82
Lieberman, the Keebler elf--definitely cartoonish. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #84
It raises a lot of questions. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #53
Horse manure Gman Feb 2015 #14
So was Jimmy Hoffa n/t bobclark86 Feb 2015 #16
You need to learn some history. Gman Feb 2015 #18
You do, too... bobclark86 Feb 2015 #19
He supported labor Gman Feb 2015 #20
And Holy Joe killing the public option has cost Labor BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Ikonoklast Feb 2015 #33
Yeah but you don't have a clue Gman Feb 2015 #34
You were useful tools to him. Nothing more. Ikonoklast Feb 2015 #76
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #55
because organized labor is doing so well because of that history; it's dead, jim ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50
And we - Labor - are still gasping on our deathbed bread_and_roses Feb 2015 #68
"We"? Are you a are you a member of an Gman Feb 2015 #70
Yes, I am, Brother bread_and_roses Feb 2015 #73
If he were a friend of labor, he would not have stood in the way of a public option. merrily Feb 2015 #77
The public option is just one issue. Gman Feb 2015 #80
Sorry, friends of labor make sure working people are taken care of. merrily Feb 2015 #81
NAFTA is another Mnpaul Feb 2015 #87
Even with the single payer option, it was never healthcare reform, just health insurance reform. Amimnoch Feb 2015 #15
We're already paying the taxes BubbaFett Feb 2015 #67
Read much? nothing at all in my proposal about increases in taxes. Amimnoch Feb 2015 #83
we already pay the taxes BubbaFett Feb 2015 #92
"Anything else is double-dipping the middle class and a free handout to the insurance industry." Amimnoch Feb 2015 #96
anything else, BubbaFett Feb 2015 #98
So sad.... Doc Holliday Feb 2015 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #21
There were other players, bvar22 Feb 2015 #24
no doubt. . . annabanana Feb 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #30
The Democratic Party Leadership would have been banned from DU... bvar22 Feb 2015 #42
Hehe... cui bono Feb 2015 #47
+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #56
It would have never happened at the time, too many Demcrats still_one Feb 2015 #26
What happened is the growing influence of Citizens United and a massive voter suppression effort. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #57
I don't buy the voter suppression argument in the two states I named still_one Feb 2015 #63
Lieberman was never going to let a public option through the Senate. That slimebag even geek tragedy Feb 2015 #27
Lieberman was NEVER going to support a PO. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #29
Personally, I would like to beat the shit out of Joe Lieberman.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #31
Obamacare was a gift to the insurance companies Demobrat Feb 2015 #37
If they know the Dems are going to coopt their ideas out of fear, then they will keep pushing their cui bono Feb 2015 #48
The ACA could be more accurately described as the Single Payer Prevention Act. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #58
Why, of course it did! And the Public Option would've been sabotaged anyhow RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #38
"When members of Congress caved to demands from the _________ industry." Rex Feb 2015 #40
Joe also proposed a Medicare expansion to age 55 Midnight Writer Feb 2015 #43
I'd forgotten about that. RiverLover Feb 2015 #60
Thank you, RiverLover Midnight Writer Feb 2015 #90
Not difficult to see Thespian2 Feb 2015 #45
Agreed charles d Feb 2015 #46
A health care plan that include a robust Public Option had no need for a private insurance industry. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #51
Not necessarily... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #61
wasn't that the whole point? Skittles Feb 2015 #59
ACA - one of the great kabuki plays. KG Feb 2015 #62
I suspect so. merrily Feb 2015 #78
+100000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #94
The Insurance Wolves already had us and the Congress. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #66
There is no public opition because of NAFTA, Gat, etc. Dwight42 Feb 2015 #71
Interesting post, thanks for sharing!! arcane1 Feb 2015 #72
Which is precisely why it was taken off the table hifiguy Feb 2015 #85
Huge K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #86
19 million covered, according to Mother Jones. You think they should walk away from the ACA? Hekate Feb 2015 #88
That's the man that so many DU'ers think we should have elected as VP! nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #89
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #91
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #93
Wasn't the public option the compromise with those of us who want single payer? hootinholler Feb 2015 #97
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