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95. How corporate Democrates colluded with Republicans to trash the public option:
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 07:14 AM
Feb 2015
The Democratic Party’s deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

In other words, Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing (sadly, we just can’t do it, because although it has 50 votes in favor, it doesn’t have 60). But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process — which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option — Rockefeller is suddenly “inclined to oppose it” because he doesn’t “think the timing of it is very good” and it’s “too partisan.” What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldn’t pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he “would not relent” in ensuring its enactment.

The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama — while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary — finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don’t have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there’s a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.

This is what the Democratic Party does; it’s who they are. They’re willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there’s no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bush’s eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bush’s habeas and interrogation abuses (“Gosh, what can we do? We just don’t have 60 votes).

The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.
Of course it threw us to the wolves. world wide wally Feb 2015 #1
Yes, we have to pay. Insurance companies sustain no losses in real life situations like the free DhhD Feb 2015 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #74
How corporate Democrates colluded with Republicans to trash the public option: woo me with science Feb 2015 #95
Why do you think it passed? hughee99 Feb 2015 #2
Ugh - seeing that photo BlueMTexpat Feb 2015 #3
Sorry RiverLover Feb 2015 #8
I truly despise that smarmy Lieberdweeb. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #35
LIEberman Joe Bacon Feb 2015 #41
Sleezerman. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #65
I think that may be one of the reasons why it works for so many of us here in MN. We had already jwirr Feb 2015 #4
Lieberman is scum. bigwillq Feb 2015 #5
And at the time he was head of the "Joe Lieberman for Joe Lieberman Party", annabanana Feb 2015 #9
All about Joe. bigwillq Feb 2015 #10
I remember what the party did to Lamont MisterP Feb 2015 #22
Remember the Standing Ovation given to Lieberman.... bvar22 Feb 2015 #23
and then they wagged their fingers and told us that supporting third parties was what got MisterP Feb 2015 #28
+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #49
damnit! Phlem Feb 2015 #39
I remember the standing ovation and the Committee Chairs he received from the Party sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #79
And we all knew that at the time. SheilaT Feb 2015 #6
This can't be stated often enough. If the media has it's way, annabanana Feb 2015 #7
LEAVE OBAMA ALONE Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #11
Yes! Stop with the crticism of Obama! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #52
"The Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act" kath Feb 2015 #12
That's exactly what I've been saying........ mrmpa Feb 2015 #44
Can't believe Gore chose that traitor as his VP pick... C Moon Feb 2015 #13
I think, without Lieberman, Gore would have won.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #32
I suspect Lieberman was foisted on Gore by TPTB. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #36
Good guess. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #54
If I remember correctly, the two of them didn't even like each other tblue37 Feb 2015 #64
He probably gave Gore the creeps. :D C Moon Feb 2015 #75
Even as I voted for Gore I never felt Enthusiast Feb 2015 #82
Lieberman, the Keebler elf--definitely cartoonish. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #84
It raises a lot of questions. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #53
Horse manure Gman Feb 2015 #14
So was Jimmy Hoffa n/t bobclark86 Feb 2015 #16
You need to learn some history. Gman Feb 2015 #18
You do, too... bobclark86 Feb 2015 #19
He supported labor Gman Feb 2015 #20
And Holy Joe killing the public option has cost Labor BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Ikonoklast Feb 2015 #33
Yeah but you don't have a clue Gman Feb 2015 #34
You were useful tools to him. Nothing more. Ikonoklast Feb 2015 #76
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #55
because organized labor is doing so well because of that history; it's dead, jim ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50
And we - Labor - are still gasping on our deathbed bread_and_roses Feb 2015 #68
"We"? Are you a are you a member of an Gman Feb 2015 #70
Yes, I am, Brother bread_and_roses Feb 2015 #73
If he were a friend of labor, he would not have stood in the way of a public option. merrily Feb 2015 #77
The public option is just one issue. Gman Feb 2015 #80
Sorry, friends of labor make sure working people are taken care of. merrily Feb 2015 #81
NAFTA is another Mnpaul Feb 2015 #87
Even with the single payer option, it was never healthcare reform, just health insurance reform. Amimnoch Feb 2015 #15
We're already paying the taxes BubbaFett Feb 2015 #67
Read much? nothing at all in my proposal about increases in taxes. Amimnoch Feb 2015 #83
we already pay the taxes BubbaFett Feb 2015 #92
"Anything else is double-dipping the middle class and a free handout to the insurance industry." Amimnoch Feb 2015 #96
anything else, BubbaFett Feb 2015 #98
So sad.... Doc Holliday Feb 2015 #17
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There were other players, bvar22 Feb 2015 #24
no doubt. . . annabanana Feb 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #30
The Democratic Party Leadership would have been banned from DU... bvar22 Feb 2015 #42
Hehe... cui bono Feb 2015 #47
+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #56
It would have never happened at the time, too many Demcrats still_one Feb 2015 #26
What happened is the growing influence of Citizens United and a massive voter suppression effort. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #57
I don't buy the voter suppression argument in the two states I named still_one Feb 2015 #63
Lieberman was never going to let a public option through the Senate. That slimebag even geek tragedy Feb 2015 #27
Lieberman was NEVER going to support a PO. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #29
Personally, I would like to beat the shit out of Joe Lieberman.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #31
Obamacare was a gift to the insurance companies Demobrat Feb 2015 #37
If they know the Dems are going to coopt their ideas out of fear, then they will keep pushing their cui bono Feb 2015 #48
The ACA could be more accurately described as the Single Payer Prevention Act. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #58
Why, of course it did! And the Public Option would've been sabotaged anyhow RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #38
"When members of Congress caved to demands from the _________ industry." Rex Feb 2015 #40
Joe also proposed a Medicare expansion to age 55 Midnight Writer Feb 2015 #43
I'd forgotten about that. RiverLover Feb 2015 #60
Thank you, RiverLover Midnight Writer Feb 2015 #90
Not difficult to see Thespian2 Feb 2015 #45
Agreed charles d Feb 2015 #46
A health care plan that include a robust Public Option had no need for a private insurance industry. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #51
Not necessarily... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #61
wasn't that the whole point? Skittles Feb 2015 #59
ACA - one of the great kabuki plays. KG Feb 2015 #62
I suspect so. merrily Feb 2015 #78
+100000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #94
The Insurance Wolves already had us and the Congress. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #66
There is no public opition because of NAFTA, Gat, etc. Dwight42 Feb 2015 #71
Interesting post, thanks for sharing!! arcane1 Feb 2015 #72
Which is precisely why it was taken off the table hifiguy Feb 2015 #85
Huge K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #86
19 million covered, according to Mother Jones. You think they should walk away from the ACA? Hekate Feb 2015 #88
That's the man that so many DU'ers think we should have elected as VP! nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #89
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #91
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #93
Wasn't the public option the compromise with those of us who want single payer? hootinholler Feb 2015 #97
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