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Gun control is a distraction, a minor issue [View all] Ron Green May 2015 OP

Not really, gun owners take their rights much more seriously than they do for AuntPatsy May 2015 #1

You are wrong. darkangel218 May 2015 #2

Well I was being a bit sarcastic but no I'm not wrong, you do not obviously nor do I, AuntPatsy May 2015 #6

Many who? darkangel218 May 2015 #9

I honestly don't want to, I own quite a few guns.....it's complicated ..the thinking AuntPatsy May 2015 #14

Not to mention, with 3D printing its now impossible to stop people from making guns easily. TampaAnimusVortex May 2015 #128

I own guns and I dont AgingAmerican May 2015 #194

I disagree with you and don't believe you. Nt Logical May 2015 #38

Thats too bad, isnt it. nt darkangel218 May 2015 #39

In that sense, Sanders will appeal to a far broader range of voters. NYC_SKP May 2015 #4

It is true though, the issue will not hurt him.. AuntPatsy May 2015 #7

No it will not. darkangel218 May 2015 #10

Cannot argue with that, you take care as well 😊 AuntPatsy May 2015 #31

who are you accussing of "taking bribes" CreekDog May 2015 #105

I think it will ann--- May 2015 #103

You are completely wrong. GGJohn May 2015 #21

Not wrong, did not say all, said many ;) numerous ones here as well....am licensed AuntPatsy May 2015 #30

Ok, then I apologize. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #33

Tell Gabby Giffords that. onehandle May 2015 #3

I like Gabby Giffords approach to reducing gun violence. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5

Or Hadiya Pendelton. greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #8

A beautiful child. NYC_SKP May 2015 #11

Gang bangers are responsible... VScott May 2015 #23

Because a switchblade would have ricocheted and killed her the same way. NuclearDem May 2015 #25

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Why on earth would we want to keep guns out of the hands of such people? NuclearDem May 2015 #29

Sub-human? What exactly is a "sub-human"? stone space May 2015 #57

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LOL, someone's transparency page is showing... Electric Monk May 2015 #253

LOL, someone else's transparency page is showing... GGJohn May 2015 #254

LOL, someone else's transparency page is showing... and this time it's yours Electric Monk May 2015 #255

LOL. GGJohn May 2015 #256

No gun control legislation introduced would substantially reduced the cali May 2015 #52

Yes, I get it, you're a Sanders supporter. NuclearDem May 2015 #70

Is "gang banger" a euphemism for "thug" stone space May 2015 #56

Why don't you tell us? eom. GGJohn May 2015 #62

It is pretty obvious that it is. He took it all the way to "sub-human" below. (nt) stone space May 2015 #63

So? GGJohn May 2015 #64

All gang bangers are thugs... VScott May 2015 #119

And Renisha McBride n/t JustAnotherGen May 2015 #162

Yes. greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #168

Tell the Supreme Court that. nt CanadaexPat May 2015 #17

And yet, she and her husband are still gun owners. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #22

LOL! They lead a gun control group. onehandle May 2015 #32

I'm a gungeoneer. I'm also a host of the Civil Liberties group: friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #107

According to the FBI, in 2012 there were more than 6000 gun cause homicides Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #12

6,000? Out of a population of 320,000,000? GGJohn May 2015 #24

Wow, compare it to the UK, France, etc. wow, what a clueless statement. Nt Logical May 2015 #40

Different countries, different cultures. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #41

Don't try to downplay 6000 deaths pal! Disgusting! Nt Logical May 2015 #42

What's disgusting is your twisting of my words. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #43

You said how small a percent it was like you were talking about..... Logical May 2015 #44

Hey, if you want to distort what I said, have at it, I could care less what you think. GGJohn May 2015 #46

You mean you "Couldn't" care less I assume? LOL, you mention percents and then downplay other....... Logical May 2015 #49

Answered the wrong person. My appologies. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #71

I dont think you meant to reply to me. Nt Logical May 2015 #73

I appologize. I clicked in the wrong place. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #75

No problem, I do it all the time! nt Logical May 2015 #78

So you think that 6000 people murdered with guns is not cause for alarm. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #77

Yeah, that's right, I don't care about 6000 citizens killed by firearms. GGJohn May 2015 #172

At least you are honest. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #182

So you say, GGJohn May 2015 #183

Agreed. And how many are gang- or narcotics-related? LittleBlue May 2015 #149

Last time I saw an FBI report on causes, gang related was one of the smaller ones. ieoeja May 2015 #161

Nope, most are suicides LittleBlue May 2015 #165

Very few. Most shootings are of relatives. And the real crisis is gun suicide Recursion May 2015 #181

The ammosexuals at DU will tell you that their deaths don't matter. stone space May 2015 #67

Really? Who would those people be, exactly? friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #108

"My right trumps your dead." Electric Monk May 2015 #131

A line *not* uttered by a DUer friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #173

A sentiment endorsed by "DUers", though admittedly most endorsers have since been PPRd. Electric Monk May 2015 #184

Hey, how about those members of your group who say f rated Bernie is a deal breaker... beevul May 2015 #186

Sanders is in favor of universal background checks and magazine size restrictions (10 rounds max) Electric Monk May 2015 #187

And yet hes too much of a "gun nut" for some of your buddies. beevul May 2015 #190

One of you lot had an apologia for internment camps in that thread: friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #188

And you would be doing the same thing that I called you out on a thread GGJohn May 2015 #174

Nice sarcasm pinboy3niner May 2015 #13

I wasn't trying for sarcasm. Ron Green May 2015 #20

Detoxification begins with removing the Exilednight May 2015 #26

Period? End of debate? Let me introduce you to Mexico... derby378 May 2015 #81

I was speaking of post industrialized countries, such as the US. Not to mention Exilednight May 2015 #117

Are people responsible for crimes committed with their cars after they've been stolen? friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #110

Cars aren't lethal weapons. And liability should be tied to negligence in safeguarding KittyWampus May 2015 #112

So what. beevul May 2015 #116

A gun only has a single purpose in modern society. It is used Exilednight May 2015 #118

Nice opinion. beevul May 2015 #120

I'm not stating opinion, nor data- just pure logic. Exilednight May 2015 #122

You're completely entitled to answer that question for yourself. beevul May 2015 #123

DU is not a weapon that can kill. That's a gun's only intended purpose. That's not opinion. Exilednight May 2015 #124

Yes, thats an opinion. beevul May 2015 #125

And what does target practice add to society? Exilednight May 2015 #126

What is it required to add to society? beevul May 2015 #127

Sethimg other than its intended use is to kill. Guns kill, plain and simple. Exilednight May 2015 #129

And yet...99 plus percent of privately owned firearms don't. beevul May 2015 #130

Your use of right-wing NRA talking points is quite telling. Answer one simple Exilednight May 2015 #132

Yes, I know, anything not completely anti-gun is an "nra talking point". beevul May 2015 #134

Coyotes are scavengers, not hunters. Firearms are a complete failure Exilednight May 2015 #137

Tell that to the my animals who have been killed. beevul May 2015 #140

I thought you were talking about children when you said little ones, not rodents. Exilednight May 2015 #143

The hell coyotes aren't hunters. GGJohn May 2015 #176

Coyotes killing farm animals does not a crisis make. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #192

Except that that's lost revenue, and I notice you're now not denying that GGJohn May 2015 #195

One of the reasons our country was founded was for the yeoman6987 May 2015 #252

There it is, the NRA meme. GGJohn May 2015 #175

BTW: just because no one is killed or shot does not mean a gun was not used in a violent crime. Exilednight May 2015 #133

Likewise, just because nobody was shot or killed, doesn't mean a gun wasn't used in self defense. beevul May 2015 #135

That's like finding a needle in a haystack. Statistics prove Exilednight May 2015 #136

The statistics you refer to have been debunked time after time after time. beevul May 2015 #139

My stats are from the FBI. You didn't read the fine print. It ONLY includes crimes where Exilednight May 2015 #141

So what? N/T beevul May 2015 #142

Violent crime does not need to include death. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #144

Did someone say it did? N/T beevul May 2015 #146

The report you posted in an attempt to make your argument and Exilednight May 2015 #147

Nonsense. beevul May 2015 #150

Footnote 1 on Page 1 Exilednight May 2015 #152

That footnote applies to the study I linked to, NOT... beevul May 2015 #154

That's some circular logic. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #159

In all seriousness, can you point to anything that has not been thoroughly debunked after be touted Exilednight May 2015 #148

I could say the same to you. 1994 called and they want their talking points back. beevul May 2015 #151

Someone debunked FBI stats? Proof please! Exilednight May 2015 #153

The creative usage of them is what was debunked. beevul May 2015 #155

Proof please? Exilednight May 2015 #158

You first. N/T beevul May 2015 #160

Fbi.gov Exilednight May 2015 #163

Wait, is only guns that are without practical use without a purpose 'required in modern society'? X_Digger May 2015 #185

There's no benefit in hunting or shooting sports and statistics Exilednight May 2015 #193

There's plenty of benefit in hunting or shooting sports. GGJohn May 2015 #197

Im a vegan, other than eggs and ice cream. Exilednight May 2015 #203

I don't give a fuck if you're a Martian, GGJohn May 2015 #204

Not at all. There are alternatives. Just because they are ignored by you Exilednight May 2015 #207

What alternatives? GGJohn May 2015 #208

Free range farms,raise your own .... Maybe you Exilednight May 2015 #212

Let's see, if you look at my avatar, GGJohn May 2015 #214

So thinning the herds of white-tailed deer is of no value? X_Digger May 2015 #226

At what cost of childrens' lives has that 2 billion come at, and in a $14 trillion Exilednight May 2015 #231

I was wondering when you would refer to the penis comparison. GGJohn May 2015 #232

That sounds very homophobic on your part. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #234

That sounds very homophobic on your part. GGJohn May 2015 #239

So far you're two for two on the tea bagger scale. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #241

Now you're resorting to personal attacks. GGJohn May 2015 #243

It's not personal. You made a homophobic remark and you love your guns. Both are facts. Exilednight May 2015 #245

Naw, I didn't, GGJohn May 2015 #246

Feel free to set those goalposts down, they must be heavy. X_Digger May 2015 #236

You can do all that without guns. With that being said, Exilednight May 2015 #237

No, I can't nor will I do without my firearms. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #240

"There's no benefit in hunting...." Puha Ekapi May 2015 #238

Recreation is my reason for owning guns hack89 May 2015 #201

But...but...but....GUNS!!! eom. GGJohn May 2015 #205

Unless your gun is stolen and used in a crime. Exilednight May 2015 #209

That is why they are in a big safe. nt hack89 May 2015 #210

"Where do you guys come up with these arguments? " Puha Ekapi May 2015 #235

"shooters who've not participated in the more rigorous process will still kill people" NYC Liberal May 2015 #36

Declare that "nothing at all should be done" ?? Ron Green May 2015 #45

Anyone who thinks we're going to see incremental (let alone substantial) bullwinkle428 May 2015 #15

Lol Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #16

Sneaky sneaky. NuclearDem May 2015 #18

Yes it is. darkangel218 May 2015 #19

Sanders' campaign is the distraction, he is a minor candidate. tritsofme May 2015 #27

It is constantly posted here that being pro 2nd A is anti-Dem. Inkfreak May 2015 #34

My question is why is the US so pro gun? N/t Exilednight May 2015 #138

A fair question. Inkfreak May 2015 #170

I respectfully disagree. beevul May 2015 #145

I disagree that the majority of the US is pro gun, I truly Exilednight May 2015 #164

Thats nice. It doesn't reflect reality, but its nice. beevul May 2015 #166

a belief and support are two separate things. I believe the Exilednight May 2015 #167

Well then, get the congress to call for a Constitutional Convention GGJohn May 2015 #178

Yeah? Except NOT!!! GGJohn May 2015 #177

It looks like we are finally getting to the point where the majority of people are stupid. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #191

So are you accusing gun owning DU'ers of being stupid? GGJohn May 2015 #196

As it pertains to guns: yes Exilednight May 2015 #198

Well, IMHO, we're not the stupid ones, GGJohn May 2015 #199

People killing people with guns is not exactly winning. Exilednight May 2015 #200

Sometimes there's no choice, GGJohn May 2015 #202

You'd end up going to jail. Most states Exilednight May 2015 #206

Someone breaks into my house and I defend myself with lethal force and I would go to jail? GGJohn May 2015 #211

Actually I know a lot about self defense laws. We just convicted a guy Exilednight May 2015 #213

Yeah, sure you did. GGJohn May 2015 #215

Sure Exilednight May 2015 #216

Just did, nothing about a jury convicting a home owner for shooting a home invader in VA. GGJohn May 2015 #217

15 pages so far....nothing. GGJohn May 2015 #218

Says the man who's on the "winning side of history" not my fault Exilednight May 2015 #219

Really? GGJohn May 2015 #220

Google: home owner convicted shooting intruder, and you will find stories from all around the countr Exilednight May 2015 #223

They're almost all the same person, Jerry Rasmussen, who lured them in and then GGJohn May 2015 #225

Ii found several stories on that first page. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #227

Yeah, and most of them were about the same guy in IN. GGJohn May 2015 #228

Went as far as 50 pages, nothing. GGJohn May 2015 #222

How many more children must die from gun violence befor you can declare victory? Exilednight May 2015 #229

I don't have the blood of innocents on my hands either, GGJohn May 2015 #230

Homicides are down, but non lethal gun assaults are at their highest since Exilednight May 2015 #233

Naw, I've carefully looked at my hands and fail to see any blood. GGJohn May 2015 #242

No, that's not true either DonP May 2015 #244

I did fact check it, at factcheck.org Exilednight May 2015 #247

If you're so amped on facts, GGJohn May 2015 #248

All those emotional posts and "claims" and not one cite or link? DonP May 2015 #250

Yup, GGJohn May 2015 #251

Same with DGU's, GGJohn May 2015 #249

The top three wedge issues: god, guns, and gays. NightWatcher May 2015 #35

It is a solid poo turkey with arsenic sauce effort and regressive to boot as TheKentuckian May 2015 #37

I very strongly disagree with Sanders on his gun votes BrotherIvan May 2015 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #104

Yeah, what's another 30000/yr dead! GeorgeGist May 2015 #48

I am a proponent of strong gun control... tk2kewl May 2015 #50

If we had a more connected, peaceful & fair society, CrispyQ May 2015 #51

Sure it is, unless Hillary had voted against the Brady Bill. leftofcool May 2015 #53

The neolibs are digging for dirt... 99Forever May 2015 #54

Voting against the Brady Bill is dirt? leftofcool May 2015 #59

Voting for the Iraq Invasion was good? 99Forever May 2015 #65

Sanders voted against Brady and has a very mixed record on guns. NuclearDem May 2015 #74

Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton has along record of standing up for 1%ers. 99Forever May 2015 #85

What's funny is you assume I'm a Clinton supporter. NuclearDem May 2015 #87

Of course you don't. 99Forever May 2015 #88

For some reason, I'm not surprised you don't understand. NuclearDem May 2015 #92

Oh.... 99Forever May 2015 #101

Okay. I dealt with it. Still prefer Sanders. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #99

Doesn't this belong in the gungeon? stone space May 2015 #55

Then alert on it and see if you can get it locked. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #61

I just did. My OP in reply was locked, so I expect this one to be locked as well. stone space May 2015 #72

Maybe it was locked because of your history of mis-representing what was said in the RKBA? GGJohn May 2015 #179

Gun control is a well thought out wedge issue. gordianot May 2015 #58

Nothing fits the "liberal" stereotype..... sendero May 2015 #60

I wouldn't got that far, but I'm not sure I even see a place to begin on gun legislation theboss May 2015 #90

We may as well surrender.. sendero May 2015 #91

Thanks, Bernie Sanders, for hampering the gun control movement. Paladin May 2015 #66

Human life thrown overboard in pursuit of hero worship BainsBane May 2015 #111

it must be the old and white and man, that they have in their group and refuse to delete. seabeyond May 2015 #115

One person's dead kids are another person''s minor distracton. (nt) stone space May 2015 #68

Ohio boy, 3, picks up unattended gun, fatally shoots toddler in face workinclasszero May 2015 #69

The issue with gun cuntrol is that the Left has lost and lost badly. theboss May 2015 #76

Your abject surrender is noted. Seems like you've got lots of company, here. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #80

We start by recognizing that gun legislation is not a right-wing vs. left-wing issue derby378 May 2015 #83

That makes sense theboss May 2015 #89

The Left didn't lose, it never really tried in the first place Matrosov May 2015 #95

Ugh. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #79

I don't think gun control is a distraction bigwillq May 2015 #82

Peaceful and Guns are mutually exclusive, except for the residents of graveyards. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #84

Control is part of a more peaceful and fair society Matrosov May 2015 #86

I think it would work the other way around (see edit to OP.) Ron Green May 2015 #171

If we had better communities, there'd be no need to disarm Matrosov May 2015 #224

And what's your proposal for getting rid of guns? GGJohn May 2015 #180

of course. we state so many issues minor, at the expense of others lives, for the comfort of the $. seabeyond May 2015 #93

The irony in your op is off the charts. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #94

Yeah ... I remember back in the day here (at DU) etherealtruth May 2015 #96

women issues are minor. blacks issues are minor. yes, gay issues are minor too. seabeyond May 2015 #97

Yep ... exactly etherealtruth May 2015 #98

I wasn't here on DU then, but I remember exactly the same thing on other sites. stone space May 2015 #113

Certainly human rights trump all ... etherealtruth May 2015 #114

I lolz'd KG May 2015 #100

Not to me ann--- May 2015 #102

millions of human lives BainsBane May 2015 #106

I'm sick of hearing the privileged tell the rest of us how little we matter. seabeyond May 2015 #109

Yeppers NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #156

Agree HassleCat May 2015 #157

guns are like tobacco olddots May 2015 #169

Probably not in my top ten... Throd May 2015 #189

Politics follow the culture theboss May 2015 #221