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GGJohn

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204. I don't give a fuck if you're a Martian,

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:41 AM

May 2015

you said in a post that people don't need to hunt anymore, there are stores where you can buy food.
Going on that seems to be that you support those factory farms and the horrible living conditions of those animals.

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Gun control is a distraction, a minor issue [View all] Ron Green May 2015 OP

Not really, gun owners take their rights much more seriously than they do for AuntPatsy May 2015 #1

You are wrong. darkangel218 May 2015 #2

Well I was being a bit sarcastic but no I'm not wrong, you do not obviously nor do I, AuntPatsy May 2015 #6

Many who? darkangel218 May 2015 #9

I honestly don't want to, I own quite a few guns.....it's complicated ..the thinking AuntPatsy May 2015 #14

Not to mention, with 3D printing its now impossible to stop people from making guns easily. TampaAnimusVortex May 2015 #128

I own guns and I dont AgingAmerican May 2015 #194

I disagree with you and don't believe you. Nt Logical May 2015 #38

Thats too bad, isnt it. nt darkangel218 May 2015 #39

In that sense, Sanders will appeal to a far broader range of voters. NYC_SKP May 2015 #4

It is true though, the issue will not hurt him.. AuntPatsy May 2015 #7

No it will not. darkangel218 May 2015 #10

Cannot argue with that, you take care as well 😊 AuntPatsy May 2015 #31

who are you accussing of "taking bribes" CreekDog May 2015 #105

I think it will ann--- May 2015 #103

You are completely wrong. GGJohn May 2015 #21

Not wrong, did not say all, said many ;) numerous ones here as well....am licensed AuntPatsy May 2015 #30

Ok, then I apologize. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #33

Tell Gabby Giffords that. onehandle May 2015 #3

I like Gabby Giffords approach to reducing gun violence. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5

Or Hadiya Pendelton. greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #8

A beautiful child. NYC_SKP May 2015 #11

Gang bangers are responsible... VScott May 2015 #23

Because a switchblade would have ricocheted and killed her the same way. NuclearDem May 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #28

Why on earth would we want to keep guns out of the hands of such people? NuclearDem May 2015 #29

Sub-human? What exactly is a "sub-human"? stone space May 2015 #57

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #121

LOL, someone's transparency page is showing... Electric Monk May 2015 #253

LOL, someone else's transparency page is showing... GGJohn May 2015 #254

LOL, someone else's transparency page is showing... and this time it's yours Electric Monk May 2015 #255

LOL. GGJohn May 2015 #256

No gun control legislation introduced would substantially reduced the cali May 2015 #52

Yes, I get it, you're a Sanders supporter. NuclearDem May 2015 #70

Is "gang banger" a euphemism for "thug" stone space May 2015 #56

Why don't you tell us? eom. GGJohn May 2015 #62

It is pretty obvious that it is. He took it all the way to "sub-human" below. (nt) stone space May 2015 #63

So? GGJohn May 2015 #64

All gang bangers are thugs... VScott May 2015 #119

And Renisha McBride n/t JustAnotherGen May 2015 #162

Yes. greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #168

Tell the Supreme Court that. nt CanadaexPat May 2015 #17

And yet, she and her husband are still gun owners. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #22

LOL! They lead a gun control group. onehandle May 2015 #32

I'm a gungeoneer. I'm also a host of the Civil Liberties group: friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #107

According to the FBI, in 2012 there were more than 6000 gun cause homicides Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #12

6,000? Out of a population of 320,000,000? GGJohn May 2015 #24

Wow, compare it to the UK, France, etc. wow, what a clueless statement. Nt Logical May 2015 #40

Different countries, different cultures. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #41

Don't try to downplay 6000 deaths pal! Disgusting! Nt Logical May 2015 #42

What's disgusting is your twisting of my words. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #43

You said how small a percent it was like you were talking about..... Logical May 2015 #44

Hey, if you want to distort what I said, have at it, I could care less what you think. GGJohn May 2015 #46

You mean you "Couldn't" care less I assume? LOL, you mention percents and then downplay other....... Logical May 2015 #49

Answered the wrong person. My appologies. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #71

I dont think you meant to reply to me. Nt Logical May 2015 #73

I appologize. I clicked in the wrong place. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #75

No problem, I do it all the time! nt Logical May 2015 #78

So you think that 6000 people murdered with guns is not cause for alarm. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #77

Yeah, that's right, I don't care about 6000 citizens killed by firearms. GGJohn May 2015 #172

At least you are honest. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #182

So you say, GGJohn May 2015 #183

Agreed. And how many are gang- or narcotics-related? LittleBlue May 2015 #149

Last time I saw an FBI report on causes, gang related was one of the smaller ones. ieoeja May 2015 #161

Nope, most are suicides LittleBlue May 2015 #165

Very few. Most shootings are of relatives. And the real crisis is gun suicide Recursion May 2015 #181

The ammosexuals at DU will tell you that their deaths don't matter. stone space May 2015 #67

Really? Who would those people be, exactly? friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #108

"My right trumps your dead." Electric Monk May 2015 #131

A line *not* uttered by a DUer friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #173

A sentiment endorsed by "DUers", though admittedly most endorsers have since been PPRd. Electric Monk May 2015 #184

Hey, how about those members of your group who say f rated Bernie is a deal breaker... beevul May 2015 #186

Sanders is in favor of universal background checks and magazine size restrictions (10 rounds max) Electric Monk May 2015 #187

And yet hes too much of a "gun nut" for some of your buddies. beevul May 2015 #190

One of you lot had an apologia for internment camps in that thread: friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #188

And you would be doing the same thing that I called you out on a thread GGJohn May 2015 #174

Nice sarcasm pinboy3niner May 2015 #13

I wasn't trying for sarcasm. Ron Green May 2015 #20

Detoxification begins with removing the Exilednight May 2015 #26

Period? End of debate? Let me introduce you to Mexico... derby378 May 2015 #81

I was speaking of post industrialized countries, such as the US. Not to mention Exilednight May 2015 #117

Are people responsible for crimes committed with their cars after they've been stolen? friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #110

Cars aren't lethal weapons. And liability should be tied to negligence in safeguarding KittyWampus May 2015 #112

So what. beevul May 2015 #116

A gun only has a single purpose in modern society. It is used Exilednight May 2015 #118

Nice opinion. beevul May 2015 #120

I'm not stating opinion, nor data- just pure logic. Exilednight May 2015 #122

You're completely entitled to answer that question for yourself. beevul May 2015 #123

DU is not a weapon that can kill. That's a gun's only intended purpose. That's not opinion. Exilednight May 2015 #124

Yes, thats an opinion. beevul May 2015 #125

And what does target practice add to society? Exilednight May 2015 #126

What is it required to add to society? beevul May 2015 #127

Sethimg other than its intended use is to kill. Guns kill, plain and simple. Exilednight May 2015 #129

And yet...99 plus percent of privately owned firearms don't. beevul May 2015 #130

Your use of right-wing NRA talking points is quite telling. Answer one simple Exilednight May 2015 #132

Yes, I know, anything not completely anti-gun is an "nra talking point". beevul May 2015 #134

Coyotes are scavengers, not hunters. Firearms are a complete failure Exilednight May 2015 #137

Tell that to the my animals who have been killed. beevul May 2015 #140

I thought you were talking about children when you said little ones, not rodents. Exilednight May 2015 #143

The hell coyotes aren't hunters. GGJohn May 2015 #176

Coyotes killing farm animals does not a crisis make. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #192

Except that that's lost revenue, and I notice you're now not denying that GGJohn May 2015 #195

One of the reasons our country was founded was for the yeoman6987 May 2015 #252

There it is, the NRA meme. GGJohn May 2015 #175

BTW: just because no one is killed or shot does not mean a gun was not used in a violent crime. Exilednight May 2015 #133

Likewise, just because nobody was shot or killed, doesn't mean a gun wasn't used in self defense. beevul May 2015 #135

That's like finding a needle in a haystack. Statistics prove Exilednight May 2015 #136

The statistics you refer to have been debunked time after time after time. beevul May 2015 #139

My stats are from the FBI. You didn't read the fine print. It ONLY includes crimes where Exilednight May 2015 #141

So what? N/T beevul May 2015 #142

Violent crime does not need to include death. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #144

Did someone say it did? N/T beevul May 2015 #146

The report you posted in an attempt to make your argument and Exilednight May 2015 #147

Nonsense. beevul May 2015 #150

Footnote 1 on Page 1 Exilednight May 2015 #152

That footnote applies to the study I linked to, NOT... beevul May 2015 #154

That's some circular logic. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #159

In all seriousness, can you point to anything that has not been thoroughly debunked after be touted Exilednight May 2015 #148

I could say the same to you. 1994 called and they want their talking points back. beevul May 2015 #151

Someone debunked FBI stats? Proof please! Exilednight May 2015 #153

The creative usage of them is what was debunked. beevul May 2015 #155

Proof please? Exilednight May 2015 #158

You first. N/T beevul May 2015 #160

Fbi.gov Exilednight May 2015 #163

Wait, is only guns that are without practical use without a purpose 'required in modern society'? X_Digger May 2015 #185

There's no benefit in hunting or shooting sports and statistics Exilednight May 2015 #193

There's plenty of benefit in hunting or shooting sports. GGJohn May 2015 #197

Im a vegan, other than eggs and ice cream. Exilednight May 2015 #203

I don't give a fuck if you're a Martian, GGJohn May 2015 #204

Not at all. There are alternatives. Just because they are ignored by you Exilednight May 2015 #207

What alternatives? GGJohn May 2015 #208

Free range farms,raise your own .... Maybe you Exilednight May 2015 #212

Let's see, if you look at my avatar, GGJohn May 2015 #214

So thinning the herds of white-tailed deer is of no value? X_Digger May 2015 #226

At what cost of childrens' lives has that 2 billion come at, and in a $14 trillion Exilednight May 2015 #231

I was wondering when you would refer to the penis comparison. GGJohn May 2015 #232

That sounds very homophobic on your part. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #234

That sounds very homophobic on your part. GGJohn May 2015 #239

So far you're two for two on the tea bagger scale. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #241

Now you're resorting to personal attacks. GGJohn May 2015 #243

It's not personal. You made a homophobic remark and you love your guns. Both are facts. Exilednight May 2015 #245

Naw, I didn't, GGJohn May 2015 #246

Feel free to set those goalposts down, they must be heavy. X_Digger May 2015 #236

You can do all that without guns. With that being said, Exilednight May 2015 #237

No, I can't nor will I do without my firearms. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #240

"There's no benefit in hunting...." Puha Ekapi May 2015 #238

Recreation is my reason for owning guns hack89 May 2015 #201

But...but...but....GUNS!!! eom. GGJohn May 2015 #205

Unless your gun is stolen and used in a crime. Exilednight May 2015 #209

That is why they are in a big safe. nt hack89 May 2015 #210

"Where do you guys come up with these arguments? " Puha Ekapi May 2015 #235

"shooters who've not participated in the more rigorous process will still kill people" NYC Liberal May 2015 #36

Declare that "nothing at all should be done" ?? Ron Green May 2015 #45

Anyone who thinks we're going to see incremental (let alone substantial) bullwinkle428 May 2015 #15

Lol Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #16

Sneaky sneaky. NuclearDem May 2015 #18

Yes it is. darkangel218 May 2015 #19

Sanders' campaign is the distraction, he is a minor candidate. tritsofme May 2015 #27

It is constantly posted here that being pro 2nd A is anti-Dem. Inkfreak May 2015 #34

My question is why is the US so pro gun? N/t Exilednight May 2015 #138

A fair question. Inkfreak May 2015 #170

I respectfully disagree. beevul May 2015 #145

I disagree that the majority of the US is pro gun, I truly Exilednight May 2015 #164

Thats nice. It doesn't reflect reality, but its nice. beevul May 2015 #166

a belief and support are two separate things. I believe the Exilednight May 2015 #167

Well then, get the congress to call for a Constitutional Convention GGJohn May 2015 #178

Yeah? Except NOT!!! GGJohn May 2015 #177

It looks like we are finally getting to the point where the majority of people are stupid. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #191

So are you accusing gun owning DU'ers of being stupid? GGJohn May 2015 #196

As it pertains to guns: yes Exilednight May 2015 #198

Well, IMHO, we're not the stupid ones, GGJohn May 2015 #199

People killing people with guns is not exactly winning. Exilednight May 2015 #200

Sometimes there's no choice, GGJohn May 2015 #202

You'd end up going to jail. Most states Exilednight May 2015 #206

Someone breaks into my house and I defend myself with lethal force and I would go to jail? GGJohn May 2015 #211

Actually I know a lot about self defense laws. We just convicted a guy Exilednight May 2015 #213

Yeah, sure you did. GGJohn May 2015 #215

Sure Exilednight May 2015 #216

Just did, nothing about a jury convicting a home owner for shooting a home invader in VA. GGJohn May 2015 #217

15 pages so far....nothing. GGJohn May 2015 #218

Says the man who's on the "winning side of history" not my fault Exilednight May 2015 #219

Really? GGJohn May 2015 #220

Google: home owner convicted shooting intruder, and you will find stories from all around the countr Exilednight May 2015 #223

They're almost all the same person, Jerry Rasmussen, who lured them in and then GGJohn May 2015 #225

Ii found several stories on that first page. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #227

Yeah, and most of them were about the same guy in IN. GGJohn May 2015 #228

Went as far as 50 pages, nothing. GGJohn May 2015 #222

How many more children must die from gun violence befor you can declare victory? Exilednight May 2015 #229

I don't have the blood of innocents on my hands either, GGJohn May 2015 #230

Homicides are down, but non lethal gun assaults are at their highest since Exilednight May 2015 #233

Naw, I've carefully looked at my hands and fail to see any blood. GGJohn May 2015 #242

No, that's not true either DonP May 2015 #244

I did fact check it, at factcheck.org Exilednight May 2015 #247

If you're so amped on facts, GGJohn May 2015 #248

All those emotional posts and "claims" and not one cite or link? DonP May 2015 #250

Yup, GGJohn May 2015 #251

Same with DGU's, GGJohn May 2015 #249

The top three wedge issues: god, guns, and gays. NightWatcher May 2015 #35

It is a solid poo turkey with arsenic sauce effort and regressive to boot as TheKentuckian May 2015 #37

I very strongly disagree with Sanders on his gun votes BrotherIvan May 2015 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #104

Yeah, what's another 30000/yr dead! GeorgeGist May 2015 #48

I am a proponent of strong gun control... tk2kewl May 2015 #50

If we had a more connected, peaceful & fair society, CrispyQ May 2015 #51

Sure it is, unless Hillary had voted against the Brady Bill. leftofcool May 2015 #53

The neolibs are digging for dirt... 99Forever May 2015 #54

Voting against the Brady Bill is dirt? leftofcool May 2015 #59

Voting for the Iraq Invasion was good? 99Forever May 2015 #65

Sanders voted against Brady and has a very mixed record on guns. NuclearDem May 2015 #74

Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton has along record of standing up for 1%ers. 99Forever May 2015 #85

What's funny is you assume I'm a Clinton supporter. NuclearDem May 2015 #87

Of course you don't. 99Forever May 2015 #88

For some reason, I'm not surprised you don't understand. NuclearDem May 2015 #92

Oh.... 99Forever May 2015 #101

Okay. I dealt with it. Still prefer Sanders. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #99

Doesn't this belong in the gungeon? stone space May 2015 #55

Then alert on it and see if you can get it locked. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #61

I just did. My OP in reply was locked, so I expect this one to be locked as well. stone space May 2015 #72

Maybe it was locked because of your history of mis-representing what was said in the RKBA? GGJohn May 2015 #179

Gun control is a well thought out wedge issue. gordianot May 2015 #58

Nothing fits the "liberal" stereotype..... sendero May 2015 #60

I wouldn't got that far, but I'm not sure I even see a place to begin on gun legislation theboss May 2015 #90

We may as well surrender.. sendero May 2015 #91

Thanks, Bernie Sanders, for hampering the gun control movement. Paladin May 2015 #66

Human life thrown overboard in pursuit of hero worship BainsBane May 2015 #111

it must be the old and white and man, that they have in their group and refuse to delete. seabeyond May 2015 #115

One person's dead kids are another person''s minor distracton. (nt) stone space May 2015 #68

Ohio boy, 3, picks up unattended gun, fatally shoots toddler in face workinclasszero May 2015 #69

The issue with gun cuntrol is that the Left has lost and lost badly. theboss May 2015 #76

Your abject surrender is noted. Seems like you've got lots of company, here. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #80

We start by recognizing that gun legislation is not a right-wing vs. left-wing issue derby378 May 2015 #83

That makes sense theboss May 2015 #89

The Left didn't lose, it never really tried in the first place Matrosov May 2015 #95

Ugh. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #79

I don't think gun control is a distraction bigwillq May 2015 #82

Peaceful and Guns are mutually exclusive, except for the residents of graveyards. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #84

Control is part of a more peaceful and fair society Matrosov May 2015 #86

I think it would work the other way around (see edit to OP.) Ron Green May 2015 #171

If we had better communities, there'd be no need to disarm Matrosov May 2015 #224

And what's your proposal for getting rid of guns? GGJohn May 2015 #180

of course. we state so many issues minor, at the expense of others lives, for the comfort of the $. seabeyond May 2015 #93

The irony in your op is off the charts. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #94

Yeah ... I remember back in the day here (at DU) etherealtruth May 2015 #96

women issues are minor. blacks issues are minor. yes, gay issues are minor too. seabeyond May 2015 #97

Yep ... exactly etherealtruth May 2015 #98

I wasn't here on DU then, but I remember exactly the same thing on other sites. stone space May 2015 #113

Certainly human rights trump all ... etherealtruth May 2015 #114

I lolz'd KG May 2015 #100

Not to me ann--- May 2015 #102

millions of human lives BainsBane May 2015 #106

I'm sick of hearing the privileged tell the rest of us how little we matter. seabeyond May 2015 #109

Yeppers NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #156

Agree HassleCat May 2015 #157

guns are like tobacco olddots May 2015 #169

Probably not in my top ten... Throd May 2015 #189

Politics follow the culture theboss May 2015 #221