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Bonobo

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Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:43 PM Jun 2015

(Video) Hillary in 2004 on "Sanctity" of Hetero marriage. [View all]

I just saw this in DU's video forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017271869



I had not known about this, believing as many have said that Hillary was a long-time supported of LGBT rights. But this is only 10 years ago. Not a long time for people of her age at all. It makes me doubtful of the truth of either her evolution now or her views then. IOW was she lying then or lying now?

Bernie, on the other hand, has a long record of support for the right of gays to marry. In the House, he voted in 1996 against the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition of gay marriages.



More context:
On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:

Throughout my life I have strenuously opposed discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against gay and lesbian Americans. I am signing into law H.R. 3396, a bill relating to same-gender marriage, but it is important to note what this legislation does and does not do.

I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".

This legislation does not reach beyond those two provisions. It has no effect on any current federal, state or local anti-discrimination law and does not constrain the right of Congress or any state or locality to enact anti-discrimination laws. I therefore would take this opportunity to urge Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, an act which would extend employment discrimination protections to gays and lesbians in the workplace. This year the Senate considered this legislation contemporaneously with the Act I sign today and failed to pass it by a single vote. I hope that in its next Session Congress will pass it expeditiously.

I also want to make clear to all that the enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination, violence or intimidation against any person on the basis of sexual orientation. Discrimination, violence and intimidation for that reason, as well as others, violate the principle of equal protection under the law and have no place in American society.
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Haven't you heard? Hillary has evolved, as many of us have...Move on, people. Move on. TheDebbieDee Jun 2015 #1
I have many t-shirts that are over 25-30 years old Bonobo Jun 2015 #2
Kick nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #3
man, she really hits all the ugly, bigoted talking points. and cali Jun 2015 #4
"Whither the people go, I will follow; for I am their Leader." n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #7
sickening nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #5
I wish you luck convincing glbtq folks and people of color HRC is a homophobe and a bigot... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #6
I can't force you to see what is right in front of your eyes. Bonobo Jun 2015 #9
no one is saying that GLBT folks think she's a bigot, but you damn well know cali Jun 2015 #10
I could hardly believe what Bill said in his DOMA signing statement: Bonobo Jun 2015 #14
Isn't that the same time... Oilwellian Jun 2015 #8
I also found her manner of speaking in the video to be strange. Bonobo Jun 2015 #23
I'll leave the judgements for the gay community to make.... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #11
Let everyone make their own judgments AFTER the facts and history are on the table. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #12
Yes, of course. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #13
Indeed. For politicians and for clergy. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #15
everyone, gay or not has the right to judge her on all issues cali Jun 2015 #16
True, but not everyone is in a position to judge her from... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #20
How do you explain this video? delrem Jun 2015 #40
one criticism many have of the Clintons is they look at political expediency too much, remember that JI7 Jun 2015 #43
I didn't know that. delrem Jun 2015 #45
Yes it is encouraged madokie Jun 2015 #17
Hillary is not a politician in the Bernie Sanders mold Tom Rinaldo Jun 2015 #18
Really. That's quite some trust you're willing to give. delrem Jun 2015 #41
What does concern me? Tom Rinaldo Jun 2015 #54
Were a lot of Democrats publicly calling for marriage equality in 2004? Orrex Jun 2015 #19
yes. and most certainly were not giving seeches like that. cali Jun 2015 #21
Interesting. Who? Orrex Jun 2015 #22
Bernie Sanders. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #29
I believe you, but I would appreciate a link to a particularly clear statement on the issue Orrex Jun 2015 #59
Howard Dean nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #44
Howard Dean opposed gay marriage in 2004. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #53
All of them. Except Hillary Clinton. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #47
Surprised this is being so easily overlooked. Just watch it and ask yourself WTF? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #24
flat out religion based bigotry cali Jun 2015 #25
Plus you have to add in the nauseating political expediency angle. Don't forget that. Bonobo Jun 2015 #28
Religious fundamentalism. Period. delrem Jun 2015 #42
Hillary "Weather Vane" Clinton Oneironaut Jun 2015 #26
. riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #27
Well unlike Bernie Sanders Hillary has evolve dontcha know Autumn Jun 2015 #30
Not just a bond but a "sacred" bond ? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #31
Let me know when you pass this along to the 18 million people who voted for her in 2008... brooklynite Jun 2015 #32
I think it's best to start close to home. Bonobo Jun 2015 #33
The ironic thing is she is practically a gay icon DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #35
That is the most inexplicable thing. Bonobo Jun 2015 #36
All I will say is wait for the votes to come in... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #37
I am sure you are right, but I have to wonder how the cognitive dissonance Bonobo Jun 2015 #38
it's not surprising to anyone who actually listens and pays attention to what people are saying JI7 Jun 2015 #39
The data suggests she is hugely popular among people of color and the lgbtq communities DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #55
One day this country will have to confront its homophobia. DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #34
why the Clintons and especially Hillary are popular among LGBT JI7 Jun 2015 #46
DOMA delrem Jun 2015 #48
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. History doesn't count. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #49
Social justice! nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #50
Oh yes, those two are surely the leaders! nt delrem Jun 2015 #51
+1 Metric System Jun 2015 #58
She has come around to supporting equality- one suspects, privately, she always did- now that Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #52
K/R Autumn Jun 2015 #56
But Hillary gets a pass... Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #57
Obama's position prior to 2012 was "marriage is between a man and a woman...God is in the mix". Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #60
Evolved. Bonobo Jun 2015 #61
Probably. I also like to think that Obama privately opposes the death penalty, Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #62
There are lots of ways to divide up the types of people in the world. Bonobo Jun 2015 #63
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