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In reply to the discussion: 20 years of data show Austrailias gun control laws work [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)228. Let's go over your post, as it could stand a good fisking:
Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)
With some kind of homophobic analogy?
I merely pointed out that you employed the same fallacy as a bigot did-
'the appeal to common sense'. I also pointed out that you are far from the first to use it.
Not taking your toys away from you!
Is insulting and belittling people part of 'doing what we can'?
Doing what we can to make our communities safer and keeping guns out of the wrong hands!
Which is ...what, exactly? What are you doing, aside from posting here, to get what you claim
to desire?
What monies have you donated to gun control organziations? What political events
and hearings have you attended?
Straw man purchasing?
Already a federal crime, one not prosecuted nearly often enough
Internet sales?
Interstate sales must already go through a federally licensed dealer, and online intrastate
sales are no different from any other intrastate firearm sales
Gun show background checks?
Licensed dealers at gun shows must already do this. Non-dealers cannot, by federal law.
Many gun show operators (and, IMO, all the ethical ones) provide onsite FFL dealers
to perform them for vendors not licensed to do so. Some states and localities
already require this, and I have no problem whatsoever with that.
Include terrorist watch list bans?
No. They are arbitrary, capricious, and are no basis for denial of any right.
Complete background checks including mental health reporting?
Already extant:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is all about saving lives and protecting people from harmby not letting guns fall into the wrong hands. It also ensures the timely transfer of firearms to eligible gun buyers.
Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms. Before ringing up the sale, cashiers call in a check to the FBI or to other designated agencies to ensure that each customer does not have a criminal record or isnt otherwise ineligible to make a purchase. More than 100 million such checks have been made in the last decade, leading to more than 700,000 denials.
NICS is located at the FBIs Criminal Justice Information Services Division in Clarksburg, West Virginia. It provides full service to FFLs in 30 states, five U.S. territories, and the District of Columbia. Upon completion of the required Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473, FFLs contact the NICS Section via a toll-free telephone number or electronically on the Internet through the NICS E-Check System to request a background check with the descriptive information provided on the ATF Form 4473. NICS is customarily available 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except for Christmas). Please be advised that calls may be monitored and recorded for any authorized purpose.
Same rules for everyone?
They're called "shall-issue" laws, and are heartily disliked among certain
members of the gun control community, apparently because said laws do not discourage gun ownership enough for their tastes.
This is common sense.
It is what you *believe* to be common sense. It is not axiomatic that this is so.
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Play as you may, what Was the U.S. drop? Significant? Related to guns in any way?
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#207
Gun control did not visibly change the trend of the curve of homicides in Australia
Albertoo
May 2016
#334
That US rate includes suicides....Australia's suicide rate is 12 per 100,000-not including murders.
EX500rider
Apr 2016
#256
America's suicide rate is 13 per 100,000 with approximately half by gun...
Human101948
May 2016
#259
If guns drove suicides rates then Japan's wouldn't be amoung the highest in the world.....
EX500rider
May 2016
#271
Please stop messing with other peoples fantasies, after all what would the Founders know about war?
Rex
Apr 2016
#234
I used to make the "individual rights" argument until someone educated me on people being plural.
ieoeja
Apr 2016
#45
You have to look to case law, not your friend, for the legal definition of "the people"
hack89
Apr 2016
#48
If you prefer to win an argument to seeking out the truth, then yes, you are absolutely correct. n/t
ieoeja
Apr 2016
#50
Just pointing out that your argument is not universally accepted so it is not "the truth"
hack89
Apr 2016
#51
In the Fourth "The people" "parcularly describes" "the persons." Sorry, individual.
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#79
Even taking your friend's definition at face value no single instance of "the people"
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2016
#80
Yet those same framers went back to their respective states and protected an individual right?
X_Digger
Apr 2016
#192
Explain to me what part of the Second Amendment limits firearm ownership to militia members
TeddyR
Apr 2016
#47
You do not, in fact, know what they care about. You *believe* you know what they care about
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#173
Upthread you 'asssigned' feelings to an entire group of people, most of whom you've never met
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#175
how is the 2A responsible for all of that? as far as murders go, you'd need statistics on how many
dionysus
Apr 2016
#176
"our biggest problem, IMO, is that we are a sick people who resort to violence way too much."
Orrex
Apr 2016
#184
Nice try, but bullshit. Does that public ownership record list all the personal property inside...
Marengo
May 2016
#264
Oh, I noticed you forgot to post a detailed list of the personal possessions in your home...
Marengo
May 2016
#309
Your problem with heller is based on your misunderstanding of the bill of rights...
beevul
Apr 2016
#242
"our biggest problem, IMO, is that we are a sick people who resort to violence way too much."
EX500rider
Apr 2016
#238
i'd say humans in general. since we're the best joint on the block, i'd expect us to be less
dionysus
May 2016
#336
3/5th of person was a bad thing as well, but as the irrational might say of the constitution...
LanternWaste
Apr 2016
#78
I have hunted and owned guns for years and I'm sickened by the bloodshed caused by guns
Botany
Apr 2016
#15
Go on, admit it, you're just a gun-worshiper trying to push your religion on others. Period.
stone space
Apr 2016
#231
Go on, admit it, you're just a gun-grabber trying to push your religion on others. Period.
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#232
Yet, every enforcement of gun control laws involves people carrying guns.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2016
#85
I'm obfuscating? suicide by gun, pill, rope or razor is exactly the same thing: suicide.
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#128
Shit. My mistake. I didn't realize you were the arbiter of all that is liberal.
beevul
Apr 2016
#149
When, exactly, were *you* made zampolit here? Discussion at DU is up to the management...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#178
I *could* call it "slacktivist culture warriors attempt to sling bullshit, and get called on it"
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#182
"You all are like... professionals or something?" CT? Really? That's a reach even for you lot
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#188
If I get drunk and mow down a bunch of kids in my car is the car responsible?
EX500rider
Apr 2016
#113
"A rope is not a gun" Yet if one commits suicide with that rope, you are just as dead
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#183
"Shift change?" More conspiracy theory? One's just as likely as the other...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#219
"I'm going to be posting...some of her common sense solutions" Are they sensible and reasonable?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#222
Less people have guns. The ones that do have guns have more of them. Multiple gun murders (especiall
MillennialDem
Apr 2016
#41
I think the true thing people are saying is that it's not the number of guns, but the gun ownership
MillennialDem
Apr 2016
#43
Your OP title is the precise contention that has been Hammerated, prima facie. nt
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#84
Probably few. And few by knife. And few by beating. And few by club. And few by...
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#92
I just don't see the Japanese killing 300,000 fellow citizens with machetes, as in Rwanda.
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#101
Because the US *non-gun* murder rate is higher than Australia's entire murder rate, guns included
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#179
Do I consider the US being below the worldwide avg and median for murder good? yes.
EX500rider
Apr 2016
#249
Except we don't have 30k gun murders..under 9,000 in a country of over 300 million
EX500rider
May 2016
#258
"And is that homicide by gun?" Who cares? What difference does the method make to the victims...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#247
From a country that just ordered new submarines from us, to deliver death from a distance.
jtuck004
Apr 2016
#12
Sous-marins français sont beaucoup mieux que les sous-marins américains n/t
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2016
#169
The number of individuals and households owning guns (at least per capita/percent) has been shrinkin
MillennialDem
Apr 2016
#44
This may not be true, as some states require citizens to register themselves...
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#88
From November 2015: "Gun Ownership in (Massachusetts) Increases 66% since 2010"
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#185
Not only that, how many new FOID cards issued in Illinois in the last few years?
beevul
Apr 2016
#195
It's very important to their faith based POV, that Illinois be seen as an anomaly
DonP
Apr 2016
#213
I don't think we will. Things may change, they may not, but this is not Australia. n
jmg257
Apr 2016
#160
Yep. Can't underestimate the number of folks who feel safer with guns then they do without.
jmg257
Apr 2016
#168
"USA exporting Terror since 1960!" Not with *those* guns, it isn't.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#220
Well of course it works, the nation decided to destroy the majority of their guns!
Rex
Apr 2016
#233
"(W)ash your hands...There is blood on them." Got your rhetoric from Pamela Geller, did you?
friendly_iconoclast
May 2016
#306
The end of it *does* say "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#338
I'm sure you feel better after spouting that, but your logic is still faulty
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#340
I see you're sticking with the demagoguery schtick, and adding misrepresentation (or ignorance)
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#342
Fuck your Pamela Gellerish theory of collective guilt- same tune, different lyrics
friendly_iconoclast
May 2016
#290
Just as those who drink responsible have the blood of DUI victims on *their* hands, eh?
pablo_marmol
May 2016
#317
Uh, yes- you've blamed the >99% of gun owners that have never shot anyone and never will
friendly_iconoclast
May 2016
#330
*That* one should consider forming a duo with Pamela Geller, and releasing a single titled:
friendly_iconoclast
May 2016
#291
Blood which stains the hands may originate from many sources, not just guns...
Marengo
May 2016
#335
I disagree. We need to repeal restrictive gun laws, and continue making progress.
Kang Colby
May 2016
#268
Demand creates it's own supply. The Controllers haven't figured this out.......
pablo_marmol
May 2016
#318