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Akicita

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150. Completely agree. My point is that in any of the examples you cite, if any of those guys attacked a

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:39 AM

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cop in his patrol car and struggled for his gun, he would stand a good chance of getting killed. You just don't do that. That's close to suicide by cop.

My second point is with all the cases of bad cops killing unarmed blacks, why do people continue to place the focus on cases where the cops have been exonerated. Do you really think Loretta Lynch faked the results of her investigation? It makes no sense. People get so invested in a guilty verdict based on bad initial information like hands up don't shoot or that Brown was shot in the back that they cannot accept the truth when it is revealed.

My third point is because people are outraged due to a killing by cop, it does not give them the right to loot, steal, or destroy their neighbors homes or businesses.

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In case you missed it, Stephen King summed up the Freddie Gray BS in one Tweet [View all] Godhumor Jun 2016 OP

If there was evidence someone killed him, the prosecution should present it Press Virginia Jun 2016 #1

At minimum, someone was quite negligent. Hoyt Jun 2016 #3

Then the prosecutor should produce that evidence Press Virginia Jun 2016 #4

Callous people don't care about Gray. Hoyt Jun 2016 #7

The heroine dealer with a history of injuring himself to sue the PD? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #11

links to claims on self-injury ? pkdu Jun 2016 #101

Link and quote? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #103

... SidDithers Jun 2016 #155

Basketball diaries? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #156

Heroine dealer? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #175

yeah it shows rockfordfile Jun 2016 #179

How about rule of law and due process? TipTok Jul 2016 #189

Or the prosecutor should have charged them with negligence. Akicita Jun 2016 #91

The guy,who was just acquitted, was charged with negligence and official misconduct Press Virginia Jun 2016 #92

Then I guess the prosecution didn't have much for evidence at all. Akicita Jun 2016 #123

That does not follow, unfortunately. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #126

Then I will rephrase. Apparently the prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to convict, even for Akicita Jun 2016 #127

That's true in one sense and may or may not be true in another. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #129

That'sthe judge they had to convince. He is AA and a former civil rights attorney with a good record Akicita Jun 2016 #131

I think that doesn't really matter rockfordfile Jun 2016 #180

In our justice system, every defendant is supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt. Akicita Jul 2016 #187

A bit on the judge... TipTok Jul 2016 #190

That's probably why the City of Baltimore lapucelle Jun 2016 #9

Purely political. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #12

Yeah that tragic broken neck thing sure is a silent killer... NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #16

He had a history of self injury while in custody. The evidence doesn't support Press Virginia Jun 2016 #18

The only thing the last acquittal was proof of is we have an Injustice System. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #21

It proves they could not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #30

The cop who knelt on his neck while arresting him probably did the tblue37 Jun 2016 #36

And the other 4? Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #38

Didn't strap him in, didn't render aid. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #42

And was acquitted because the evidence didn't support the charges Press Virginia Jun 2016 #54

The ME testified the injury happened between Press Virginia Jun 2016 #60

The fatal damage occurred in the van, but the severe neck injury occurred while he was on the ground tblue37 Jun 2016 #102

That wasn't her testimony Press Virginia Jun 2016 #110

Whose? (I just grabbed the URLs and located the relevant sections). Since I'm severely tblue37 Jun 2016 #111

The Medical Examiner Press Virginia Jun 2016 #113

C'mon. We don't want to hear about actual testimony. Our conjecture fits our agenda better and is Akicita Jun 2016 #125

I totally agree. eom ReRe Jun 2016 #100

Would throwning the (I believe) black driver of the police van into jack_krass Jun 2016 #77

That's what all this is about. Feeling better. Guilt or innocence is irrelevant. We need a Akicita Jun 2016 #124

I'd pretend that to be the case as well. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #159

Only if you set aside everything that has happened to this point... TipTok Jul 2016 #191

Other than right wing websites, do you have a source for your allegations? Hoyt Jun 2016 #22

. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #26

Yet that link says nothing about the self injury, nice try. Rex Jun 2016 #31

Not much proof there. But Fox News was quick to pick up Rector's story. Hoyt Jun 2016 #37

Its good enough for the poster Spacedog1973 Jun 2016 #106

Dear Virginia, saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #28

There was no criminal act Press Virginia Jun 2016 #61

Apparently the PD also has a history of rough rides passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #45

The coroner ruled his death a homicide Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #98

That doesn't mean it was a crime, much less a provable crime mythology Jul 2016 #197

Link and quote? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #104

That's not what happened. lapucelle Jun 2016 #27

It's bitter sarcasm. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #46

Gray's legs were dragging as he was taken to the van. Probably the damage was done tblue37 Jun 2016 #32

There was no evidence of a rough ride. And the van driver faced the most serious charges Press Virginia Jun 2016 #39

Going Way Out Of Your Way billhicks76 Jun 2016 #50

The guy who drove the van was just acquiited. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #53

Press Virginia didn't find them innocent. The judge did. I suppose the AA judge must be an uncle Tom Akicita Jun 2016 #70

Excellent summation of the facts. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #63

Except the strapping in policy was brand new and the evidence showed that these cops had not yet Akicita Jun 2016 #72

He should have been transported in am ambulance. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #74

Maybe so. Akicita Jun 2016 #79

You Were Here First billhicks76 Jun 2016 #51

The guy who drove the van, when the injuries occurred, was just acquiited Press Virginia Jun 2016 #52

So What billhicks76 Jun 2016 #97

So what exactly are you advocating for? TipTok Jul 2016 #192

You Can Excuse Anything billhicks76 Jul 2016 #200

It's easy to whine about a problem... TipTok Jul 2016 #201

Whine? billhicks76 Jul 2016 #202

Either way... TipTok Jul 2016 #203

The Straw That Broke The Camels Back billhicks76 Jul 2016 #204

So... TipTok Jul 2016 #205

2 More Black Men Murdered By Cops billhicks76 Jul 2016 #206

Not my branch (career field) TipTok Jul 2016 #207

I'm Friends With Many Cops billhicks76 Jul 2016 #208

I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll ask again.... TipTok Jul 2016 #209

I think the poster simply believes Stephen King's statement to be true etherealtruth Jun 2016 #128

Why are you even at this site? Scruffy Rumbler Jun 2016 #55

Why do you hate facts? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #56

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #57

People who don't care about drug dealers or people who point out Press Virginia Jun 2016 #58

Is Freddie Gray dead? rockfordfile Jun 2016 #182

not evidence of a crime Press Virginia Jun 2016 #183

That poster often takes the contrarian right-wing view in threads here YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #93

Id love to see one of them Press Virginia Jun 2016 #94

Here ya go YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #95

It's RW view to point out stripping people of their rights is wrong? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #96

you can tell rockfordfile Jun 2016 #181

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141500785 Scruffy Rumbler Jun 2016 #59

Wow, are you gullible IMO! nt Logical Jun 2016 #65

Denial of reality won't make things the way you wish they were Press Virginia Jun 2016 #69

Your lack of knowledge how the judges protect cops is amusing. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #71

not even the prosecutors are making that claim. The judge is a former civil rights attorney Press Virginia Jun 2016 #82

Lol, so now you think prosecutors want cops convicted??? LOLOLOLOL Logical Jun 2016 #83

now Mosby is in on it? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #84

Convicted cops piss off cops and prosecutors need cops to convict.... Logical Jun 2016 #87

Hahahaha! So Mosby, who basically staked her career to this case, wants the cops to get off Press Virginia Jun 2016 #88

Totally agree. I always suspected Mosby was a double agent. No justice, no peace indeed. Akicita Jun 2016 #130

I agree that some prosecutors are like that. rockfordfile Jun 2016 #184

Really? This guy? TipTok Jul 2016 #194

sad SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #75

So, explain his death to us! I can't wait! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #89

The ME couldn't explain it. He likely did it himself Press Virginia Jun 2016 #90

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author auntpurl Jun 2016 #108

The ME claimed he stood up without proof uponit7771 Jun 2016 #105

The ME based her "homicide" ruling on gray being given a "rough ride" Press Virginia Jun 2016 #109

Like The Cop Who Crushed Freddie's Neck With His Knee? billhicks76 Jun 2016 #140

The Medical Examiner testified that his injury occurred in the van not during the arrest Press Virginia Jun 2016 #141

You Sure Know A Lot About This Case billhicks76 Jun 2016 #151

Everything I've cited was reported in the Baltimore Sun, including Press Virginia Jun 2016 #152

Prosecutors are afraid of endagering their relationship with the police. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #114

Mosby is having her people throw the cases? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #115

The results speak for themselves. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #116

The results aren't evidence of prosecutors throwing the case Press Virginia Jun 2016 #117

There was evidence of sabotage. Maybe one of her prosecutors wants her job. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #120

A clerical error isn't sabotage Press Virginia Jun 2016 #121

Lol That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #122

Considering how important the case was locally and nationally... That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #170

Right. The authorities could never make a mistake in a case unless it was on purpose to throw the Akicita Jun 2016 #167

Considering how important the case was locally and nationally... That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #188

Agree with your first two points. I'm not devoted to any thugs. I just think only the guilty should Akicita Jul 2016 #198

Right on. It's now obvious that Mosby was in on it from the beginning. She probably planned Akicita Jun 2016 #132

It's always disapointing to see slavish devotion to murderers that wear uniforms. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #164

No slavish devotion to murderous cops here. They can burn in Hell. Akicita Jun 2016 #165

The cops are victims of lynch mob justice???? That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #169

Sometimes. Many people get so invested in a guilty verdict based on bad initial information that Akicita Jun 2016 #176

(warning graphic) The correct answer is: "No the police are not victims of lynch mob justice" That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #185

I am in total agreement that police often face no consequences for their actions. Where did I say Akicita Jul 2016 #186

Name some cases where we are in agreement. That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #195

You're right. Every conviction ever made in the history of our country should be overturned unless Akicita Jun 2016 #166

"What a nut." That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #172

She took a calculated risk... TipTok Jul 2016 #193

If nothing else, the prosecutor definitely overcharged in this case. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #174

A lot of people, here, don't care about actual evidence Press Virginia Jun 2016 #178

A sickeningly sad commentary on our society etherealtruth Jun 2016 #2

What's sad is celebrities whose opinions Press Virginia Jun 2016 #6

What is sad is people defending the cultural pheneomenon where .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #14

He had a history of self injury in custody, but it's possible his injuries are Press Virginia Jun 2016 #17

Surely you jest .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #24

Unless you sat through the trial and heard the evidence Press Virginia Jun 2016 #25

Hahahaha .... and we have no problem with the abuse of AA members of our society .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #29

When the evidence supports the charges, officers are convicted Press Virginia Jun 2016 #35

i will ask one more time etherealtruth Jun 2016 #43

Systematic? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #112

I think many people may be going back to the Jim Crow days where the conjecture of the lynch mob is Akicita Jun 2016 #168

BS. Socal31 Jun 2016 #73

Maybe in you world of make believe Press Virginia Jun 2016 #78

Which part is fantasy? Socal31 Jun 2016 #80

All of it Press Virginia Jun 2016 #85

If that makes you feel better. Socal31 Jun 2016 #86

He was also lead-poisoned. Quayblue Jun 2016 #107

Yes, that is sad. What is also sad is the cultural phenomenon where when an unarmed black person is Akicita Jun 2016 #134

Plesase cite where the police have been convicted by activists ...? etherealtruth Jun 2016 #135

The burned and looted business of Ferguson and Baltimore provide ample evidence of a quick verdict Akicita Jun 2016 #137

... and their actions caused convictions? etherealtruth Jun 2016 #138

No poor innocent police officer was convicted. But their lives were ruined. How do you think the Akicita Jun 2016 #139

I really am astounded that i am reading this here etherealtruth Jun 2016 #142

So burning and looting your neighbors' homes and businesses because you are upset about something is Akicita Jun 2016 #144

I have a question for you. KMOD Jun 2016 #145

If I remember right, and my memory is a bit fuzzy, but the cop told Brown to get out of the middle Akicita Jun 2016 #146

Let's start with this KMOD Jun 2016 #147

Perfectly understandable for Brown to distrust or fear the Ferguson cop. Akicita Jun 2016 #148

That's my whole point. KMOD Jun 2016 #149

Completely agree. My point is that in any of the examples you cite, if any of those guys attacked a Akicita Jun 2016 #150

The jaywalking may have been the initil reason for the interaction... TipTok Jul 2016 #196

My point is, KMOD Jul 2016 #199

Not at all reluctant to answer your question .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #154

We have a great need to clean up the police departments in this country. Requiring they wear body Akicita Jun 2016 #157

I don't encourage or support it .... but ..... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #158

You might be right. I just don't understand and oppose victimizing your own neighbors to get Akicita Jun 2016 #160

it is disconcerting .. however, I think there is much more risk .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #161

I don't understand that either. I guess it's because they can. Akicita Jun 2016 #162

That's BullSh*t. If Lindsey Lohan says this cop is guilty than I believe her. Akicita Jun 2016 #133

I think the main problem is with the prosecution. lapucelle Jun 2016 #5

A lot of the charges didn't make sense Press Virginia Jun 2016 #10

That's a pretty common prosecutorial strategy. lapucelle Jun 2016 #15

Not according to a lot of lawyers. Mosby overcharged, charges contradicted each other Press Virginia Jun 2016 #20

Yep. Rex Jun 2016 #8

Authoritarians will never convict a police officer. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #13

I think this judge is different lapucelle Jun 2016 #19

The problem is a judge still tends to defer to law enforcement. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #23

I think that in a high profile case like this lapucelle Jun 2016 #33

I agree Nutmeg, thank you. saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #34

The first case was a jury trial. former9thward Jun 2016 #41

That goes back to my first point. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #44

Reports say it wasn't one juror SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #48

Nailed it. Duppers Jun 2016 #118

K&R Godhumor saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #40

Bernie is right that the whole system needs to be reexamined. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #47

K&R... spanone Jun 2016 #49

The jury got it wrong again. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #62

Ummmm...... you haven't been following this case very closely, have you? Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #64

Guess not because it upsets me. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #66

Yeah screw facts and information, let's just get some cops jack_krass Jun 2016 #81

The biggest fact is that a young man is dead, KMOD Jun 2016 #143

What jury? philosslayer Jun 2016 #67

When I saw on the news the accused were acquitted I thought there had been a jury trial. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #136

Damn, when I get to my production company's office in LA, this is a man I want to spend time Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #68

Well an author had his say NobodyHere Jun 2016 #76

? Duppers Jun 2016 #119

Based on what? His extensive time in the court room listening to the evidence? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #153

I respect Stephen King, but I am waiting for Lindsey Lohan's opinion to make up my mind. Akicita Jun 2016 #163

Cute pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #171

This isn't a political case. It is a criminal case. Lindsey has much more real life experience Akicita Jun 2016 #177

I like Stephen King, but I don't look to him for social commentary. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #173