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30. Yes, the goal of universal health coverage doesn't need to require single payer

Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:26 PM

Oct 2016

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Which Countries Have Single-Payer Health Systems? [View all] ehrnst Oct 2016 OP

Single-payer was always a compromise for me. LWolf Oct 2016 #1

Then this post isn't referencing you. Many others here on DU, yes. ehrnst Oct 2016 #2

+1 NCTraveler Oct 2016 #8

And I would like every house in the country to be fitted with Solar Panels or wind turbines. ehrnst Oct 2016 #13

ok. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #16

It does however, allow us a collective and efficient goal to reach... LanternWaste Oct 2016 #20

Yes, the goal of universal health coverage doesn't need to require single payer ehrnst Oct 2016 #30

No. A single payer system is essential. Anderson agrees. kristopher Oct 2016 #36

Anderson was talking about the "medicare for all" proposals of 2016 ehrnst Oct 2016 #39

I let him speak for himself - in context. kristopher Oct 2016 #40

Again - this is from 2011. ehrnst Oct 2016 #45

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Oct 2016 #53

You can paste the same thing again and again until you are blue in the face... ehrnst Oct 2016 #54

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #57

What part of that refutes what I said? ehrnst Oct 2016 #58

And just that one thing LWolf Oct 2016 #66

It would be huge. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #67

Me too tazkcmo Oct 2016 #55

What right-wing garbage is this? BlueStreak Oct 2016 #3

Well first off - it's not garbage, and it's not right wing ehrnst Oct 2016 #5

Here is Anderson in an interview saying single payer is how to reduce costs kristopher Oct 2016 #29

That's from five years ago. The OP article discusses "Medicare for All" proposals in this election ehrnst Oct 2016 #31

The point of your article is the same as it always is, to misrepresent the idea and role of SP. kristopher Oct 2016 #33

I guess that's one way to try discredit something that you don't agree with ehrnst Oct 2016 #34

You are misrepresenting the meaning of Anderson's writing. kristopher Oct 2016 #37

What part of "not all nations in Europe have or have had single payer" ehrnst Oct 2016 #41

The posters you are arguing with are arguing for exactly what Anderson endorses. kristopher Oct 2016 #46

That's where you are misunderstanding. ehrnst Oct 2016 #51

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #56

What part of that refutes what I said? ehrnst Oct 2016 #59

Screaming that something is right wing garbage doesn't make you right mythology Oct 2016 #23

There is not a shred of evicence that our private insurance system contributes one iota BlueStreak Oct 2016 #25

You have to be aware of terms: single payer is not necessarily universal health coverage mnhtnbb Oct 2016 #4

Good luck. You're guilty of "sophistry" now, like me. ehrnst Oct 2016 #42

Mere sophistry whatthehey Oct 2016 #6

Not everybody here "knows" And are you accusing me of lying or the NPR reporter?(nt) ehrnst Oct 2016 #7

Please cite the accusation of lying. whatthehey Oct 2016 #9

"Mere Sophistry" ehrnst Oct 2016 #11

Read deeper whatthehey Oct 2016 #18

Why don't you 'splain it to me. ehrnst Oct 2016 #19

Seems accurate. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #21

It may be ignorance from the NPR reporter or those spreading this stuff. Or BlueStreak Oct 2016 #26

Or you may simply think that anything that doesn't validate a particular veiw ehrnst Oct 2016 #32

I consider to be 'single payer'.. sendero Oct 2016 #10

You can make up your own definition for any word. But that doesn't change the reality of it. ehrnst Oct 2016 #12

Well if someone is controlling... sendero Oct 2016 #15

And to a Tea Partier, if something is federally regulated.... ehrnst Oct 2016 #17

Sender's point is correct. The author of the OP snip agrees... kristopher Oct 2016 #44

From 2011, and not addressing the points that the OP made ehrnst Oct 2016 #47

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #49

I guess that means you're done copying and pasting the same thing that doesn't address my post? ehrnst Oct 2016 #52

"We're done" I suppose that's a 'mic' drop... ehrnst Oct 2016 #61

we need accessible, nonprofit, universal health care at little or no direct cost to patients.... mike_c Oct 2016 #14

I think universal healthcare is THE goal ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #22

Apparently to believe this = "sophistry" ehrnst Oct 2016 #38

True. There is not a magic way to universal healthcare ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #62

Tempting to simply declare that there is one simple answer to a complicated issue ehrnst Oct 2016 #63

The USA is the only country in the western hemisphere without a single payer Warpy Oct 2016 #27

Actually no. According to the OP Canada is the only country with true Single Payer ehrnst Oct 2016 #50

Canada is unique in how it set was up. roamer65 Oct 2016 #69

Arguments about language and definitions are a very deliberate distraction. hunter Oct 2016 #28

this ^^^^^^^^^^ Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #43

Words mean things. Specific things. If you want to discuss them, you should know what they mean. ehrnst Oct 2016 #60

Where did I say Obamacare was socialism? hunter Oct 2016 #64

That was an analogy. ehrnst Oct 2016 #65

The article is FUD. It's not reporting "debate" about Single Payer at all. hunter Oct 2016 #68

To start with - You have made a major mistake in which foundation your are talking about ehrnst Oct 2016 #70

Ooops. Me, off on a wild google chase again... hunter Oct 2016 #71

Good to see that you now have the correct foundation ehrnst Oct 2016 #72

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