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In reply to the discussion: Hillary has the right and almost an obligation to say Trump didn't win. [View all]MrPurple
(985 posts)2. It's not Hillary's role to say she won, wouldn't be effective
It will likely never be provable to what degree Russian/FBI actions or vote count manipulation changed the results in WI/MI/PA. Others need to try to track down if the Trump campaign was complicit with Putin (surely they were, but hard to prove), but Hillary publicly claiming she was robbed doesn't help the Dems.
Obama/Biden/Hillary and others will be needed to call out Trump policies and mobilize people to turn out and vote in the midterms and 2020. Hillary needs to keep her powder dry for future battles.
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Hillary has the right and almost an obligation to say Trump didn't win. [View all]
gulliver
Jan 2017
OP
"Who else has the moral authority"? You just finished saying her credibility was all undermined.
Hekate
Jan 2017
#115
She's not on record saying she'll accept Russian interference. The acceptance was on condition that
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#31
Relative to facts that aren't in dispute regarding Russia and voter suppression we don't know that..
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#17
Congress isn't the last word on Benedict Donald being in office, the registrar is on the 19th
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#26
Yes there is, were promised free and fair elections and this wasn't one by far
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#44
Yes there is, it can be sued for just like everything else in this country. There's no remedy
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#77
hacking of state and local electoral boards by Russia. The extent of effect is irrelevant that they
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#91
Abridging the right to vote is never legal no matter what the state laws are and the hacks themselve
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#98
What happened to the truth? Hillary isn't going to say it because it is factually false.
BzaDem
Jan 2017
#3
By "pre-election" "vote count manipulation", do you mean "convincing people to vote for a candidate"
BzaDem
Jan 2017
#15
What happened to free and fair elections? That didn't happen either and that at the least sides with
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#18
Really?!!! Wanna OP this question?! ... see what you get. Facts not in dispute: Comey, Voter suppres
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#34
I fully acknowledge that all three happened, and that they were likely decisive.
BzaDem
Jan 2017
#37
Good, that's enough for a claim that this was NOT a free and fair election... period
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#38
If Comey and Putin make it so the election was not a free and fair one, what about Fox News?
BzaDem
Jan 2017
#41
The first amendment applies to Comey's statements and Russia's leaks (but not the hacking).
BzaDem
Jan 2017
#55
They sure don't...Comey was speaking as an agent of the fbi not a regular citizen
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#59
Irrelevant, his statement of fact as an agent of the FBI isn't covered by the 1st amendment where
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#68
This is false on its face, consent of the governed is predicated off of free and fair elections
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#86
Actually, the statement that there is no basis in the Constitution for individuals to challenge
onenote
Jan 2017
#111
Because she's a woman of integrity? It's the media's job to delegitimize this Russian asset, aka...
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#6
Its not the medias job to formally request a re-vote without Russian access to state and local ...
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#20
There's no integrity twisting the facts about Russia interfering with our election. That's enough fo
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#24
There's no twisting Russia interfered with our election on behalf of McPootyPoot, that's enough for
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#22
I've read right here, by people much smarter than myself, that our Constitution makes no provision..
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#27
The fix for the break doesn't have to be outlined in the constitution. That's a distraction, the ..
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#28
red herring, the ec vote is based off state level votes and state level electoral boards were hacke
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#50
Then the suite can be at the state level where it holds even more water under the 15th at....
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#71
False bar, their interference is bad enough but on the side of one candidate is already proven
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#48
This is false on its face, did you read the report about Russia hacking state and local electoral
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#74
Do you have uncontrovertable evidence that it changed the election results?
loyalsister
Jan 2017
#85
False bar, they interfered period ... that's not " consent of the governed " the extent of the ...
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#88
A national election is not a pee wee football league game, label what you'd like this has way more
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#95
For free and fair elections being labeled acting like a child seems small pence. I don't think those
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#102
I can't keep up with your assertions about the Constitution. Would you please cite...
Hekate
Jan 2017
#116
No, we'll never ever let this go... she didn't lose with a free and fair election, there's no need
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#30
Where in the Constitution does it create a legal right to a "free and fair" election?
onenote
Jan 2017
#53
A constitutional right is something that can be taken to court and the registration of McPootyPoot
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#65
Registration of Benedict Donald as president, before then he's a regular citizen of the US
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#70
I don't know where you get the idea that something is going to happen on the 19th
onenote
Jan 2017
#76
Please cite where in the Constitution "free and fair election" by all individual citizens is stated.
Hekate
Jan 2017
#117
We can also take him to the USSC, this election was also far from free and fair there are too many
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#35
Okay, uponit7771, you and gulliver do that and then report back to us how it went.
Hekate
Jan 2017
#118
I'll just note all of us who didn't want to fight anything after we get stomped in 18 when we
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#120
Peoples opinions don't matter facts do. Fact not in dispute: This was NOT a free and fair election
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#39
"we" don't ... conservatives do... that's thier fault... let them push bullshit and prove it
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#57
+1, fuck names by the Reich Winger traitors who say so what to Russia interference in our elections
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#72
It can be challenged in court under constitutional right to vote should not be abridged ...
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#94
Nah, this I'll never ever let go... Russia hacking our election, voter suppression and Comey is some
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#105
I wonder how many "uncounted" boxes of ballots there are hidden in those red states from
kimbutgar
Jan 2017
#101