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50. red herring, the ec vote is based off state level votes and state level electoral boards were hacke

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Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:28 PM

Jan 2017

... hacked per the intel report

another reason this was not a free and fair election

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Hillary has the right and almost an obligation to say Trump didn't win. [View all] gulliver Jan 2017 OP

She didn't win BainsBane Jan 2017 #1

Yeah, she did. gulliver Jan 2017 #4

Other factors in Trump's theft of the election is voter suppression through Akamai Jan 2017 #82

Hillary Clinton didn't win the Election... brooklynite Jan 2017 #119

Screw the EC.... Trump is an illegitimate usurper. eniwetok Jan 2017 #12

Neera Tanden says BainsBane Jan 2017 #14

she's on record... eniwetok Jan 2017 #16

What about children and families BainsBane Jan 2017 #23

seriously? eniwetok Jan 2017 #56

"Who else has the moral authority"? You just finished saying her credibility was all undermined. Hekate Jan 2017 #115

She's not on record saying she'll accept Russian interference. The acceptance was on condition that uponit7771 Jan 2017 #31

HRC "better not retire from public life"? My gods, the chutzpah. Hekate Jan 2017 #114

Relative to facts that aren't in dispute regarding Russia and voter suppression we don't know that.. uponit7771 Jan 2017 #17

There isn't going to be a revote BainsBane Jan 2017 #25

Congress isn't the last word on Benedict Donald being in office, the registrar is on the 19th uponit7771 Jan 2017 #26

what are you talking about? What "registrar"? onenote Jan 2017 #61

I have made this point here many tmes. A number of people have asked SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #109

I agree. BainsBane Jan 2017 #110

There is absolutely no constitutional basis for a "re-vote". None. WillowTree Jan 2017 #43

Yes there is, were promised free and fair elections and this wasn't one by far uponit7771 Jan 2017 #44

No.......constitutional.......basis. WillowTree Jan 2017 #49

There is no way to have a re-vote SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #75

Yes there is, it can be sued for just like everything else in this country. There's no remedy uponit7771 Jan 2017 #77

OK, I'll play SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #87

hacking of state and local electoral boards by Russia. The extent of effect is irrelevant that they uponit7771 Jan 2017 #91

As odious as voter suppression is SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #96

Abridging the right to vote is never legal no matter what the state laws are and the hacks themselve uponit7771 Jan 2017 #98

It's not Hillary's role to say she won, wouldn't be effective MrPurple Jan 2017 #2

What happened to the truth? Hillary isn't going to say it because it is factually false. BzaDem Jan 2017 #3

We need to argue for the truth. She can say it any way she wants. gulliver Jan 2017 #5

By "pre-election" "vote count manipulation", do you mean "convincing people to vote for a candidate" BzaDem Jan 2017 #15

What's so unusual about fraud? gulliver Jan 2017 #45

I'm not sure there would be any cause of action. BzaDem Jan 2017 #64

What happened to free and fair elections? That didn't happen either and that at the least sides with uponit7771 Jan 2017 #18

How was the election not free and fair? BzaDem Jan 2017 #33

Really?!!! Wanna OP this question?! ... see what you get. Facts not in dispute: Comey, Voter suppres uponit7771 Jan 2017 #34

I fully acknowledge that all three happened, and that they were likely decisive. BzaDem Jan 2017 #37

Good, that's enough for a claim that this was NOT a free and fair election... period uponit7771 Jan 2017 #38

If Comey and Putin make it so the election was not a free and fair one, what about Fox News? BzaDem Jan 2017 #41

Comey and Russia's actions aren't covered by 1st amendment uponit7771 Jan 2017 #42

The first amendment applies to Comey's statements and Russia's leaks (but not the hacking). BzaDem Jan 2017 #55

They sure don't...Comey was speaking as an agent of the fbi not a regular citizen uponit7771 Jan 2017 #59

Yes, but he was stating a fact (that the investigation was reopened). BzaDem Jan 2017 #66

Irrelevant, his statement of fact as an agent of the FBI isn't covered by the 1st amendment where uponit7771 Jan 2017 #68

There is no basis in the Constitution to challenge it. Alice11111 Jan 2017 #79

This is false on its face, consent of the governed is predicated off of free and fair elections uponit7771 Jan 2017 #86

Actually, the statement that there is no basis in the Constitution for individuals to challenge onenote Jan 2017 #111

Because she's a woman of integrity? It's the media's job to delegitimize this Russian asset, aka... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #6

The media can't do it. They are trying to do their job, but it isn't working. gulliver Jan 2017 #7

We just disagree. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #8

Looks that way gulliver Jan 2017 #11

Its not the medias job to formally request a re-vote without Russian access to state and local ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #20

There's no integrity twisting the facts about Russia interfering with our election. That's enough fo uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24

Did Al Gore declare victory when he was cheated? Generic Brad Jan 2017 #9

HRC's victory gives her standing to lead the opposition to Trump. eniwetok Jan 2017 #13

"Moral victory" gulliver Jan 2017 #19

The outcome is not set in stone till the 19th uponit7771 Jan 2017 #21

Nothing happens Jan 19. Nothing. Nada. onenote Jan 2017 #81

Hillary is smart enough to not twist the truth. sarisataka Jan 2017 #10

There's no twisting Russia interfered with our election on behalf of McPootyPoot, that's enough for uponit7771 Jan 2017 #22

I've read right here, by people much smarter than myself, that our Constitution makes no provision.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #27

The fix for the break doesn't have to be outlined in the constitution. That's a distraction, the .. uponit7771 Jan 2017 #28

One thing the Constitution sarisataka Jan 2017 #47

red herring, the ec vote is based off state level votes and state level electoral boards were hacke uponit7771 Jan 2017 #50

It also does not say that we have a right to vote at all loyalsister Jan 2017 #69

Then the suite can be at the state level where it holds even more water under the 15th at.... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #71

It's not a talking point it's simply true loyalsister Jan 2017 #84

True in most respects sarisataka Jan 2017 #99

"The people" is certainly a vague term loyalsister Jan 2017 #103

The constitution says no such thing. WillowTree Jan 2017 #51

Did they interfere sarisataka Jan 2017 #46

False bar, their interference is bad enough but on the side of one candidate is already proven uponit7771 Jan 2017 #48

What they did as outsiders is business as usual in ordinary campaigns loyalsister Jan 2017 #73

This is false on its face, did you read the report about Russia hacking state and local electoral uponit7771 Jan 2017 #74

Do you have uncontrovertable evidence that it changed the election results? loyalsister Jan 2017 #85

False bar, they interfered period ... that's not " consent of the governed " the extent of the ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #88

do over is what children call for loyalsister Jan 2017 #93

A national election is not a pee wee football league game, label what you'd like this has way more uponit7771 Jan 2017 #95

That does not preclude having players who act like children loyalsister Jan 2017 #100

For free and fair elections being labeled acting like a child seems small pence. I don't think those uponit7771 Jan 2017 #102

The hacking and the release of the information are distinct acts loyalsister Jan 2017 #107

I can't keep up with your assertions about the Constitution. Would you please cite... Hekate Jan 2017 #116

She lost. Let it go. bowens43 Jan 2017 #29

No, we'll never ever let this go... she didn't lose with a free and fair election, there's no need uponit7771 Jan 2017 #30

Where in the Constitution does it create a legal right to a "free and fair" election? onenote Jan 2017 #53

that doesn't preclude HRC fighting against the GOP as a private citizen.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #60

Just because you keep saying that doesn't make it true. WillowTree Jan 2017 #58

the reference is not literal.... even trumpers know this uponit7771 Jan 2017 #62

It's also not something that one can take to court onenote Jan 2017 #63

A constitutional right is something that can be taken to court and the registration of McPootyPoot uponit7771 Jan 2017 #65

What do you think happens on the 19th? onenote Jan 2017 #67

Registration of Benedict Donald as president, before then he's a regular citizen of the US uponit7771 Jan 2017 #70

I don't know where you get the idea that something is going to happen on the 19th onenote Jan 2017 #76

I don't, that's your strawman uponit7771 Jan 2017 #80

You've mentioned the 19th three or four times in this thread onenote Jan 2017 #83

Crickets. onenote Jan 2017 #113

Please cite where in the Constitution "free and fair election" by all individual citizens is stated. Hekate Jan 2017 #117

Nope. We need to take Trump to court. gulliver Jan 2017 #32

We can also take him to the USSC, this election was also far from free and fair there are too many uponit7771 Jan 2017 #35

That's a good point to make. gulliver Jan 2017 #40

Okay, uponit7771, you and gulliver do that and then report back to us how it went. Hekate Jan 2017 #118

I'll just note all of us who didn't want to fight anything after we get stomped in 18 when we uponit7771 Jan 2017 #120

I agree. We would be better served as a party and a nation to Kilgore Jan 2017 #78

It's much better if we think of ourselves as rightful winners. gulliver Jan 2017 #92

She can't do that. HassleCat Jan 2017 #36

Peoples opinions don't matter facts do. Fact not in dispute: This was NOT a free and fair election uponit7771 Jan 2017 #39

I take the opposite view. HassleCat Jan 2017 #52

"we" don't ... conservatives do... that's thier fault... let them push bullshit and prove it uponit7771 Jan 2017 #57

Unfortunately, I agree with you. Alice11111 Jan 2017 #106

Sure she can. And she should. gulliver Jan 2017 #54

+1, fuck names by the Reich Winger traitors who say so what to Russia interference in our elections uponit7771 Jan 2017 #72

I think it's been announced that she will attend HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2017 #89

She's done. demmiblue Jan 2017 #90

It can be challenged in court under constitutional right to vote should not be abridged ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #94

Let it go. She did... nary a peep out of her since the fauxlection. demmiblue Jan 2017 #104

Nah, this I'll never ever let go... Russia hacking our election, voter suppression and Comey is some uponit7771 Jan 2017 #105

Not successfully. onenote Jan 2017 #108

Why should she make herself look like a fool? He won under the rules. Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #97

I wonder how many "uncounted" boxes of ballots there are hidden in those red states from kimbutgar Jan 2017 #101

Remember the RW mockery of SoreLoserman? Yeah, that was fun. In the end... Hekate Jan 2017 #112