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In reply to the discussion: Keith Ellison: [View all]BainsBane
(53,032 posts)It was that I am doubtful most people know what TPP is. I dispute your idea that Clinton would have won if only she'd devoted more money to corporate media advertising on the slogans you referenced. You insist those two slogans would have changed the outcome of the election. It's incumbent on you to provide proof. Of course you have none. Moreover you're not interesting in learning what data exists. What matters is what you WANT to believe, nothing else.
If everyone is so concerned about voter disenfranchisement, why do they never talk about it? Why was there such opposition to Tom Perez by so-called progressives when that is what he highlighted? Why has their been so much focus on white male Trump voters to the exclusion of massive disenfranchisement? What people focus on reveals their priorities. The numbers of disenfranchised voters are FAR, FAR greater than the tens of thousands of white male voters in the midwest your crowd insist was the key to the election. You have to know the numbers of disenfranchised voters of color far exceed the 50-80k advantage in Trump's vote in the rust belt. Yet you were among those insisting we had to focus on those voters to win again. Why? Because Bernie said so.
Also, if you are going to focus on those rust belt voters, that requires listening to them. You think you can run ads that contradict their concerns (No Standing Rock, which is really no pipeline) and they aren't going to notice? You can focus on banning fracking and workers in that industry won't notice their jobs are on the chopping block? Is it really worth a resurgence in coal--the dirtiest energy that exists--because fracking is the cause du jour? It would be nice if people cared about a comprehensive energy policy to wean the country off fossil fuels, but that was roundly denounced by so-called progressives who decided all that mattered was punishing frackers.
Your comments on TPP are what you say about everything you don't like and don't bother to learn much about. It is precisely what you said for years about Clinton and not too far off what you said about Perez. I don't claim to know a great deal about the details of TPP, but I know enough not to take your word for it.