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(12,422 posts) Mon Mar 27, 2017, 06:14 PM Mar 2017

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NoShit...it's that Simple. [View all]

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It really is NOT complicated... The Big Con and the oligarchs are gaslighting healthcare.

I am not intimating that brain surgery is simple or any other medical procedure for that matter, but the administration of how we receive those services has been simplified in virtually every other developed country on earth...WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES? .WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES? .WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES? .WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES? .WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES? .WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES? .WHY NOT IN THE UNITED STATES?

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NoShit...it's that Simple. [View all] pbmus Mar 2017 OP

Yes! That's it exactly! Phoenix61 Mar 2017 #1

Kick! Perfect! Squinch Mar 2017 #2

Also Break time Mar 2017 #3

K & R bronxiteforever Mar 2017 #4

But Walmart greeters and mechanics and whatever who vote Republican are looking at Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #5

Minus the gratuitous insults of nice greeters, you've hit Hortensis Mar 2017 #140

When do you think the time will be...? pbmus Mar 2017 #156

Apparently that's not enough. Hortensis Mar 2017 #161

Not an insult at all, meant to show how hard working people vote against their-selves. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #157

Sorry, I know. Should have put a smile after it. :) Hortensis Mar 2017 #162

The brutal health care system we live under now is institutionalized violence. mahina Mar 2017 #6

Unfortunately, Correct...it doesn't have to be that way.. pbmus Mar 2017 #155

And anyone that dares to point out the problems with single payer ehrnst Mar 2017 #182

Perfect - except they forgot the gold overflowing from the trash can at right. tenorly Mar 2017 #7

Single payer, warmfeet Mar 2017 #8

Private Sector CitizenZero Mar 2017 #9

Many would but many businesses use health insurance to make it difficult.... PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #137

Good Point CitizenZero Mar 2017 #163

K & R BadgerMom Mar 2017 #10

Hallelujah! MontanaMama Mar 2017 #11

The chart "simplifies" the current healthcare system ThoughtCriminal Mar 2017 #12

Anyone who wants to make it complicated is pbmus Mar 2017 #13

I'm going to throw a fairly large wrench in the works here jmowreader Mar 2017 #14

Cmon now, We are presently limiting people (doctors and hospitals) pbmus Mar 2017 #15

LBJ had to lie about what Medicaid and Medicare would actually cost in order to get it passed. ehrnst Mar 2017 #47

Sorry about your negative proclivity...it's called mental gridlock... pbmus Mar 2017 #48

Facts bother you? ehrnst Mar 2017 #51

You have been sold a bill of goods, that my grandfather would say pbmus Mar 2017 #52

I get it - you think I'm one of them evil politicians, because no one could possibly disagree ehrnst Mar 2017 #57

Can you explain the reasons why the United States of America is different than ... pbmus Mar 2017 #59

Where to begin.... ehrnst Mar 2017 #68

You have pointed to the fact that the USA is different...we agree pbmus Mar 2017 #70

Did you read the post? You asked the question, and I answered. ehrnst Mar 2017 #77

Yes, I do. qwlauren35 Mar 2017 #167

Interesting Post CitizenZero Mar 2017 #19

Alibaba is your friend jmowreader Mar 2017 #23

Thanks CitizenZero Mar 2017 #31

It's not only big pharma... it's doctors radical noodle Mar 2017 #105

Or perhaps it's complicated because it's been entrenched in the ehrnst Mar 2017 #45

Medicaid and Medicare and the VA...and of course Tricare and ChampVA and... pbmus Mar 2017 #46

Actually no. Nice deflection, tho. ehrnst Mar 2017 #53

The only label that counts today is, HOW MUCH....for the 99ers pbmus Mar 2017 #56

I see you replied without actually reading the post. ehrnst Mar 2017 #61

You are still arguing with/for insurance... capitalism/healthcare does not work.. pbmus Mar 2017 #64

You seem foggy on the difference between "single payer" and "universal coverage" ehrnst Mar 2017 #71

There is one problem with your arguments. It is when you start acting republican.. pbmus Mar 2017 #73

You really haven't been reading my posts, just firing off angry rants ehrnst Mar 2017 #74

Yeppers... pbmus Mar 2017 #75

Argument by meme. Did you learn that getting your "doctorate?" ehrnst Mar 2017 #76

Facts are difficult for republicans... pbmus Mar 2017 #78

Calling me a republican? That's how you discredit someone who ehrnst Mar 2017 #85

You have republican ideas is what I meant...on healthcare. pbmus Mar 2017 #89

Not hardly. You really haven't been reading a word I've written. ehrnst Mar 2017 #98

You are good at gaslighting... lol... pbmus Mar 2017 #100

Oh, but it certainly can be a choice... radical noodle Mar 2017 #125

And pizzagate is real... Hillary is running a brothel... pbmus Mar 2017 #128

That conforms to your vision of reality. ehrnst Mar 2017 #134

If you think that isn't true radical noodle Mar 2017 #143

That certain people want to be victims...oh yes, it's true that pbmus Mar 2017 #153

Bless your heart... radical noodle Mar 2017 #158

Ha! (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #174

Some people just won't join in the pep rally! ehrnst Mar 2017 #175

Yep. There needs to be about 40 trash cans for overhead waste and profit. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #18

Suggestion for diagram jmbar2 Mar 2017 #16

It's not that simple. Yavin4 Mar 2017 #17

You have just pointed out the gaslighting going on.. pbmus Mar 2017 #20

So you're going to force doctors and hospitals to accept single payer payments? Yavin4 Mar 2017 #22

We already have, they are called Medicare and Medicaid.. pbmus Mar 2017 #24

Some doctors don't accept Medicare Yavin4 Mar 2017 #25

That's because we still are governed by oligarchs.. pbmus Mar 2017 #26

No, actually it's because physicians often have to submit invoices 3 times ehrnst Mar 2017 #79

Only because of our current healthcare system... pbmus Mar 2017 #81

That's a circular argument. Are you sure you went to grad school? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #84

Another dig .... another carbuncle... gas lighter... pbmus Mar 2017 #126

You were the one who whipped out "I have a doctorate" ehrnst Mar 2017 #127

Yes - my dads oncologist stopped taking Medicare patients after he finished with my dad's treatment. ehrnst Mar 2017 #83

I agree... and the extra we'd get from that radical noodle Mar 2017 #117

Anybody that disagrees with you is "gaslighting" as far as you are concerned. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #69

We disagree to agree...that you know what gaslighting is... pbmus Mar 2017 #96

Are you going to flick boogers now? ehrnst Mar 2017 #99

Omg..you are making me sick...I need healthcare, I'll go to Canada.. pbmus Mar 2017 #103

Just don't go to Vermont..... or Colorado ehrnst Mar 2017 #113

Soon to be California... pbmus Mar 2017 #123

You mean California will dump single payer like VT and CO? ehrnst Mar 2017 #129

You blithely ignore successful two-tier systems LanternWaste Mar 2017 #39

And you blithely ignore how the single payer system will compensate health care Yavin4 Mar 2017 #40

Dr/patient disruption is an oligarch talking point, and used to gaslight... pbmus Mar 2017 #49

ERMEGERD!!!! OLIGARCH!!!! ehrnst Mar 2017 #160

Good luck with logic. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #184

K&R YES Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #21

How do elective or advanced/experimental procedures work in this system Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #27

LOL...since the big con and the oligarchs are cutting research pbmus Mar 2017 #28

Yeah, really bodes well for getting single payer through in this administration, doesn't it? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #176

Because, greed....nt 2naSalit Mar 2017 #29

Well , that is because greed and avarice is promoted... pbmus Mar 2017 #30

I see that we are fortunate enough to have someone who has the corner on "eternal truth" right here ehrnst Mar 2017 #177

Is there a cost analysis of this? Louis1895 Mar 2017 #32

I'm sure there is but the numbers already speak for themselves mwooldri Mar 2017 #37

Are Medicare and Medicaid working??? pbmus Mar 2017 #43

Depends on who you ask, and what you mean by "working." ehrnst Mar 2017 #173

Why do you say, have to nationalize all hospitals...? MindMover Mar 2017 #164

If one was to replicate the NHS in the USA... mwooldri Mar 2017 #171

This will fall on deaf ears on the part of the OP. ehrnst Mar 2017 #181

But what about the people who want to get filthy rich from it? IronLionZion Mar 2017 #33

A 'simple' as rerouting all the roads in a large city to make them a neat and tidy grid. ehrnst Mar 2017 #34

In your mind, it is not possible. pbmus Mar 2017 #42

You do know the power of "positive thinking" does not actually alter reality, don't you? ehrnst Mar 2017 #44

The power of positive thinking not only is proven to work... pbmus Mar 2017 #50

It's not a substitute for being informed with facts, and acting in accordance with reality. ehrnst Mar 2017 #58

ehrnst radical noodle Mar 2017 #121

Thank you. ehrnst Mar 2017 #130

You are most welcome... pbmus Mar 2017 #135

More booger flicking? ehrnst Mar 2017 #147

Go for it! n/t radical noodle Mar 2017 #144

Done. As expected, no response.(nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #148

Unfortunately, it seems you're talking to the wind taught_me_patience Mar 2017 #72

Oh, it's a good stress relief ehrnst Mar 2017 #102

Our Byzantine system The Wizard Mar 2017 #35

Nice. Our current system is all about the MONEY MONEY MONEY for ins companies, pharmas, etc iluvtennis Mar 2017 #36

The health insurance industry is against single payer, just like... Marcuse Mar 2017 #38

A sick country can never be great again. It can be pacified by dictators and capitalists, though. ancianita Mar 2017 #41

This puts the insurance companies out of business FakeNoose Mar 2017 #54

Really, what would we be thunk in... pbmus Mar 2017 #55

Making that huge a changs to a health care system that is 18% of our GDP ehrnst Mar 2017 #94

Income adjusted means your premium is adjusted to your income.. pbmus Mar 2017 #109

By "conservative" you mean someone who disagrees with you. ehrnst Mar 2017 #112

How many times are you people going to liquid diamond Mar 2017 #60

Single payer has happened and will be the law of the land sooner than you think... pbmus Mar 2017 #62

Many of these countries are not single payer taught_me_patience Mar 2017 #66

You are correct, however, There healthcare costs are much lower ..and prescription drugs pbmus Mar 2017 #67

But.... they are doing it with something other than single payer, yes? ehrnst Mar 2017 #86

What is the difference? qwlauren35 Mar 2017 #170

Universal Healthcare is the blanket term for "everyone having affordable health care" ehrnst Mar 2017 #172

Thank you. qwlauren35 Mar 2017 #178

Argument by meme again. ehrnst Mar 2017 #87

I was assured that single payer would "never, ever come to pass" in the US. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #138

It hasn't thus far. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #183

Don't bring reality to rain on the anger parade!! ehrnst Mar 2017 #95

You are very good at confuscation ... pbmus Mar 2017 #97

Was your thesis committee Larry, Moe and Curly? ehrnst Mar 2017 #116

Another slam..sticks and stones... pbmus Mar 2017 #132

Still haven't come clean about that "doctorate" ehrnst Mar 2017 #179

I know. They never have an intelligent response liquid diamond Mar 2017 #141

Because of Insurance company profits jimlup Mar 2017 #63

Capitalism/healthcare..yeh sure, .that works so well... pbmus Mar 2017 #65

Other countries have capitalism and universal health coverage. ehrnst Mar 2017 #90

We agree, ... pbmus Mar 2017 #91

Good, because while you are building the barracades, people need health care. ehrnst Mar 2017 #92

Again false accusations... pbmus Mar 2017 #122

Indeed but the rich have the power and the rich jimlup Mar 2017 #118

There is the concept of the "wicked problem" that is incomprehensible to binary thinkers ehrnst Mar 2017 #124

So, what is your answer to healthcare? MindMover Mar 2017 #165

The poster along with some buddies like to ridicule and holler insults.. pbmus Mar 2017 #169

Greed and profit get in the way of rational thought. Initech Mar 2017 #80

AMEN...AND I SAY AMEN... pbmus Mar 2017 #82

Thou shalt not commit the heresy of disagreeing with the single payer creed. ehrnst Mar 2017 #88

Lol...was agreeing with the obvious fact of greed in our Healthcare... pbmus Mar 2017 #93

Clearly the banging of your head in the furious emojis ehrnst Mar 2017 #146

Not really that much difference in the charts BruceWane Mar 2017 #101

Quicker and easier is what the big con and his associates thought... pbmus Mar 2017 #104

Eliminate the middle man; that's always been a huge way to cut costs. nt procon Mar 2017 #106

That is precisely the problem...too many of those critters. pbmus Mar 2017 #107

Yeah! Eliminate the middle man! BruceWane Mar 2017 #111

It eliminates many middle men that are taking and not contributing... pbmus Mar 2017 #114

And that middleman ehrnst Mar 2017 #115

Greed BruceWane Mar 2017 #108

Well of course there is GREED... pbmus Mar 2017 #110

Who is arguing that? ehrnst Mar 2017 #119

Delays are due to many reasons...however the numero uno main one is... pbmus Mar 2017 #120

Why don't you tell me? ehrnst Mar 2017 #131

Your politician directed by his oligarch pushes the no button on funding... pbmus Mar 2017 #139

I can tell when I've hit a nerve when you whip out "oligarch" ehrnst Mar 2017 #142

LMAO...you are funny...should be a comedian... pbmus Mar 2017 #150

More booger flicking. ehrnst Mar 2017 #159

I'd love to see where you got that gem.. radical noodle Mar 2017 #145

'Truth doesn't stop climate change' pbmus Mar 2017 #151

"Facts don't care if you believe in them" ehrnst Mar 2017 #180

Show this to a single payer foe on the right... dubyadiprecession Mar 2017 #133

Unfortunately, the poster of the OP makes no distinction between ehrnst Mar 2017 #136

Yep. pbmus Mar 2017 #149

Replace the words "Single Payer" with "Veterans Administration" JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2017 #152

Exactly, I have said VA many times in the thread... pbmus Mar 2017 #154

Thank you for posting this. qwlauren35 Mar 2017 #166

Thanks to you and your efforts...Yes We Can. pbmus Mar 2017 #168

I agree with you, and it needs to be repeated- it is THAT SIMPLE Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #185