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(6,092 posts) Mon Apr 10, 2017, 08:22 PM Apr 2017

The Nation article: we must transform the dem. Party [View all]

https://www.thenation.com/article/we-must-transform-the-democratic-party/

"It’s time to abandon, once and for all, the party’s corporate centrism and addiction to big-dollar fund-raising."

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The Nation article: we must transform the dem. Party [View all] rainy Apr 2017 OP

We just need to rename it Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #1

But these corporations are anti-democracy by their nature. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #2

Those wolves are wolves that weren't raised in the wild. Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #16

That's a meaningless concept... brooklynite Apr 2017 #66

"because 40% of the people want on" Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #68

yes, it's time to make changes. WhiteTara Apr 2017 #3

No it is no...we have no power at all ... we need to win elections and overturn Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #58

I didn't say I wasn't going to vote WhiteTara Apr 2017 #67

You need money to win elections these days... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #72

Like I said, it's their turn. WhiteTara Apr 2017 #73

Right. Which, as long as Citizens United is in effect will guarantee that we lose every election, Squinch Apr 2017 #4

It's been done Doremus Apr 2017 #23

Yep. It can be done. TDale313 Apr 2017 #34

Since Citizens United, it never has been done, so what makes you think so? Squinch Apr 2017 #45

Maybe during presidential years but not off year elections. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #59

Yep,maybe next time Go Vols Apr 2017 #83

That's an issue of the candidate, not the money. If we require that our candidates don't take Squinch Apr 2017 #44

Flaunting our purity is exactly what we need to do. Doremus Apr 2017 #50

No one cares about purity...jobs yes ...health care yes...purity no. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #61

Did you notice the election we just had? Squinch Apr 2017 #77

Bullshit...no one outside of those who are uber critical of the Democratic Party ... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #57

You're agreeing with me. Squinch Apr 2017 #78

Sorry must have been to a different poster...but I am glad we agree...great minds think alike? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #91

+1000 brer cat Apr 2017 #93

If this was a post, it'd get alerted zipplewrath Apr 2017 #5

if true that would be both stupid and counterproductive eniwetok Apr 2017 #7

If the Nation keeps coming after the Democratic Party Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #62

Can't disagree more. KPN Apr 2017 #71

I wonder what side the Nation is on...They are helping Trump and hurting our chances to save the Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #92

How so? I don't see it. KPN Apr 2017 #95

Attacking the party as unworthy ...makes people less likely to vote and/or Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #96

Well, I can't argue that attacking the Party as unworthy prior to the election could KPN Apr 2017 #98

Why do you want to sow discord and discontent? Cary Apr 2017 #6

why are you? eniwetok Apr 2017 #10

What does that even mean? synergie Apr 2017 #24

"The party is corporate" is something that has been repeated over and over online. Hmmmmm.... Squinch Apr 2017 #46

No it doesn't...this article discourages people from voting for Democrats... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #63

here's where I disagree with the article eniwetok Apr 2017 #8

The Nation helped Trump win. athena Apr 2017 #28

utter bullcrap eniwetok Apr 2017 #29

Good luck moving the Democratic Party left after a loss like this. athena Apr 2017 #30

I have no idea what you're talking about. eniwetok Apr 2017 #33

Oh yes, the wonderful years after W won during which the Democratic Party moved left! athena Apr 2017 #60

you seem determined to ignore the defects in the system eniwetok Apr 2017 #81

Yes they did...I cancelled my subscription and never read that rag anymore. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #65

They do well under a Republican presidency. athena Apr 2017 #69

It is true...I subscribed to Washington Post, Mother Jones, New York Times and Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #70

How 'bout sticking *with* the Democratic party? UTUSN Apr 2017 #9

Are you going to criticize Bill Clinton for trying to change the party? eniwetok Apr 2017 #12

+1 ronnie624 Apr 2017 #15

But if the Dem Party is to mean anything it should be... eniwetok Apr 2017 #20

What is this corporate path you speak of, and can one see it synergie Apr 2017 #25

I didn't think this was some state secret... eniwetok Apr 2017 #32

Apparently it is. synergie Apr 2017 #42

Unaware? Really? KPN Apr 2017 #74

Indeed, mine is based in reality, not wishful thinking and revionistic history. synergie Apr 2017 #94

Huh? Gerrymandering? KPN Apr 2017 #97

the problem is your blanket assumption that a push from this direction is all empty sloganeering. JCanete Apr 2017 #84

There is no comparrison between the far left and the tea party. JCanete Apr 2017 #36

You might want to tell that to the folks who are branding themselves this way. synergie Apr 2017 #39

I think the show is worth-while. I've heard them say we need to get that kind of JCanete Apr 2017 #41

Exactly. Instead of relentlessly attacking it, for a change. athena Apr 2017 #31

I think we need to keep Russia out our elections FrenchieCat Apr 2017 #11

+1. This right here. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #13

You're not going to "undo" anything ronnie624 Apr 2017 #14

We're going to have to start addressing the small fraction of the electorate synergie Apr 2017 #40

An event can have more than one cause. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #17

Russian interference would mean NOTHING if not for the fact.... eniwetok Apr 2017 #21

So eschewing large donations is your means to changing that? Kay... Squinch Apr 2017 #47

apples and organges eniwetok Apr 2017 #48

WTF are you talking about? Your arguments are nothing but a gish gallop of Squinch Apr 2017 #76

That's YOUR take eniwetok Apr 2017 #79

SMH. You have learned nothing. Have a nice day. Squinch Apr 2017 #80

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Wait you weren't convinced by all the caps, bold and punctuations? JTFrog Apr 2017 #86

No. Because I'm morally bankrupt, doncha know? Squinch Apr 2017 #87

But ... ... ... !! nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #88

1)we must end republican election fraud 2) move dems out of the cities and spread out n t msongs Apr 2017 #18

WHY should anyone move to compensate for the absurdities of an antidemocratic system???? eniwetok Apr 2017 #22

You are gonna hate what we are doing in California then. JTFrog Apr 2017 #89

30-40% of U.S. Americans are racists and fascists. Hillary Clinton ran on a progressive platform... hunter Apr 2017 #19

What a happy article! PatrickforO Apr 2017 #26

You overlook the fact that tens of millions of Americans Gman Apr 2017 #27

that is a perception that has to be undone. If we taxed right and regulated corporations right, JCanete Apr 2017 #37

And pick daisies? fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #35

After the elections in NJ JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #38

Here's an example of what's wrong with our party's self appointed beltway strategy geniuses: Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #43

Getting rid of corporate money won't change the fact that politicians bloviate on TV SharonClark Apr 2017 #49

It's not the bloviating. It's the pre-emptive surrendering that's the problem. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #52

You're right.. JHan Apr 2017 #54

Maybe a little premature? kentuck Apr 2017 #51

Sigh. The same article that says Dems need to abandon big-dollar fundraising stopbush Apr 2017 #53

The whole idea from those who insist they are the only pure Democrats, where they Squinch Apr 2017 #90

This... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #55

Democrats need to speak for people rather than Wall Street/Silicon Valley alarimer Apr 2017 #56

And absolutely must transform the Republican Party. Orsino Apr 2017 #64

This article is now dated. The concepts have been hashed over here many times. KPN Apr 2017 #75