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Dorian Gray

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220. Talking about her making a mistake

Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:01 PM

Dec 2017

in leading the charge is very different than labeling her "That Evil Woman" when a reference to a male senator who agrees with her and who is the minority leader by name.

I agree that the intense push for Franken to go may be misguided. I think they should have gone to the ethics committee and investigated this thing before making any decisions.

But I do resent the uneven hatred that Gillibrand is getting for this whole thing. I don't think that's fair. It may very well be calculated politics. That's probably true of many positions politicians make. Regardless of their sex. I'm sure the senators all talked with one another before she led the charge. She wouldn't have done it if there wasn't support. So blaming her or hating her more than others irks me.

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Would everyone take a deep breather and Chill the F**K OUT! [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2017 OP

Non, Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #1

My reaction as well rock Dec 2017 #178

Franken Must Stay;Gillibrand Must Go disndat Dec 2017 #188

Please Correct Your Focus DownriverDem Dec 2017 #226

First I heard of this.Explanations would be enough onit2day Dec 2017 #219

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #2

Gillibrand did not do it by herself. Why is she now a target for all the rage? McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #10

Well, if Trump is the problem, get rid of him. There is very little logic in the other point of view JimBeard Dec 2017 #76

She led the lynchmob. But yes, they are all to blame. This was a SHITTY decision. SHAME ON THEM! LBM20 Dec 2017 #167

What lynch mob? kstewart33 Dec 2017 #221

So you were there and observed the behavior? BlueWI Dec 2017 #243

Roy Moore's accusers made allegations and they have been treated as if they are fact. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #247

There are many differences - some are obvious, others less so, I suppose. BlueWI Dec 2017 #250

Spot on SheShe, thank you for posting! Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #3

Franken was not "asked to stand down" he was told to resign. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #4

Same thing really. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #9

Well, that certainly isn't divisive. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #11

How so? nt sheshe2 Dec 2017 #13

Never mind. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #14

hmmm. nt sheshe2 Dec 2017 #17

What sheshe2 just said certainly isn't divisive mcar Dec 2017 #91

You... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #106

... mcar Dec 2017 #111

No one I've seen is making dismissive comments about women. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #101

There are, roughly, 99* OPs here just today denigrating one female mcar Dec 2017 #107

Oh. Well, I have not said those things, though I have been critical of PatrickforO Dec 2017 #118

When did she say she wanted to run for president? mcar Dec 2017 #171

That's Funny Cheviteau Dec 2017 #222

She wants to run for president? NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #177

here's a nice link for both of you. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #182

Yes, you're a man, so... NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #194

This is a CNN analysis mcar Dec 2017 #199

Yes there are. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #129

I've been critical of Bernie, even though he didn't "lead the charge"... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #130

One by her own actions and one through lies. lark Dec 2017 #198

Why does everyone ONLY blame Democrats? sheshe2 Dec 2017 #260

No, I didn't list everyone and Sanders is part of this awful action. lark Dec 2017 #261

Thank you for reporting them all... Matt_R Dec 2017 #147

Exactly this Dorian Gray Dec 2017 #164

By 'denigrating' you mean 'disagreeing with.' MrModerate Dec 2017 #189

Calling a Democrat a corporatist, mcar Dec 2017 #201

But calling Al Fraken a sexual assaulter is perfectly fine, apparently dansolo Dec 2017 #206

I was responding to the previous poster's post mcar Dec 2017 #213

Honestly, I have not seen ONE post on here calling Gillibrand a 'gecko' PatrickforO Dec 2017 #227

Right here in this very thread mcar Dec 2017 #231

Oh. Well, I'd have never said something like that. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #232

I agree mcar Dec 2017 #233

Correct. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #251

And now I see on this board mcar Dec 2017 #252

Looks that way, mcar. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #255

I too echo your sentiment... FarPoint Dec 2017 #161

You can't speak for Franken regardless KPN Dec 2017 #191

Think you've nailed it peggysue2 Dec 2017 #203

Very good post, peggysue. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #234

I appreciate your effort here to be measured in thinking about this issue. BlueWI Dec 2017 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #235

So your vote is for women, and always will be?? So Sarah Palin over Obama?? NYgal Dec 2017 #246

I said vote Democratic. I said vote for women... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #253

I will chill after Tuesday, lol. grantcart Dec 2017 #5

Yup sheshe2 Dec 2017 #58

... Aristus Dec 2017 #6

Hey. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #112

Dear sheshe flamingdem Dec 2017 #7

If you like Franken that much Eko Dec 2017 #16

He was forced out flamingdem Dec 2017 #19

You mean he was Eko Dec 2017 #24

Maybe he didn't want to make his family or himself go through the unfairness of being railroaded flamingdem Dec 2017 #27

I am not implying Eko Dec 2017 #35

This should be obvious to you. He's a team player and the team rejected him flamingdem Dec 2017 #38

What is obvious is that it does not take a team Eko Dec 2017 #47

Link please to where he was badgered by Schumer? sheshe2 Dec 2017 #49

Here it is - a quick search but there better sources if you look around flamingdem Dec 2017 #51

He was baggered by Schumer and That evil woman that I shall never forget. JimBeard Dec 2017 #70

20 democratic senators lined up to ask him to resign bhikkhu Dec 2017 #149

It wasnt 20 Senators initially dansolo Dec 2017 #163

It's that very attitude Dorian Gray Dec 2017 #166

That isn't dehumanizing women. It is stating a fact. Gillibrand led the charge. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #179

Talking about her making a mistake Dorian Gray Dec 2017 #220

So, according to you... Dorian Gray Dec 2017 #165

The republicans ears have perked up in Minnisota, JimBeard Dec 2017 #99

A tremendous boon for repugs in Minn flamingdem Dec 2017 #102

Exactly. geardaddy Dec 2017 #200

Schumer is the Democratic Minority Leader. Surely delisen Dec 2017 #162

Good post, let's keep our eyes on Schumer, he's made some poor decisions flamingdem Dec 2017 #210

I don't think he is a political genius. Egnever Dec 2017 #225

He'd be kicked off any important committee assignment Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #93

Very possible, Eko Dec 2017 #97

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2017 #30

"We won't work with you anymore, so we suggest you resign" Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #79

Was he sent to the Senate Eko Dec 2017 #94

So all Senators do is vote? Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #104

Nope Eko Dec 2017 #109

The most important thing that Franken did was to ask a question lapucelle Dec 2017 #258

The answer to that is yes. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #119

He was sent to work Eko Dec 2017 #125

I would have respected Franken's decision to resign IF his Senate colleagues were supportive InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #132

NOT. HIS. DECISION. dchill Dec 2017 #73

Sure, Eko Dec 2017 #96

If you are told to resign by a majority of Senate Democrats... dchill Dec 2017 #116

What an absurd claim. Eko Dec 2017 #123

I "resign" from this "absurd" discussion. dchill Dec 2017 #131

Ohhh, Eko Dec 2017 #133

"Du people..." dchill Dec 2017 #134

I didnt want to assume it was just me, Eko Dec 2017 #137

I'm sure there are good people on both sides. dchill Dec 2017 #139

I think it is good sense to tell you what side I am on. Eko Dec 2017 #143

There is no legitimate reason for them to know anything... dchill Dec 2017 #148

So you know more about this than Franken does? Eko Dec 2017 #152

I have no idea what bubble you just popped out of. dchill Dec 2017 #153

So you are claiming to know more about this Eko Dec 2017 #154

Again, bubble. dchill Dec 2017 #155

Well, you say so little Eko Dec 2017 #156

Just trying to be concise. dchill Dec 2017 #157

Wow. Like with resign Eko Dec 2017 #158

Go for it. dchill Dec 2017 #159

You are the one pushing legitimate reason. Eko Dec 2017 #160

As a Minnesota voter I find pazzyanne Dec 2017 #215

Yup, Eko Dec 2017 #228

He was shamed out by a bunch of people, led by Gillibrand, with their eyes on 2020 NYgal Dec 2017 #248

flamingdem. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #25

If anyone called for all of them to be primaried it was a few people the huge majority of us want flamingdem Dec 2017 #32

agree with all your posts here orleans Dec 2017 #52

thanks flamingdem Dec 2017 #53

I do, too. Besides, anything that has Roger Stone involved in any way is NOT on the up 'n' up. calimary Dec 2017 #80

exactly n/t orleans Dec 2017 #141

Perhaps then, the problem is freaking out her..... brooklynite Dec 2017 #39

Im with you. It was a visceral punch in rainy Dec 2017 #48

Good post. cwydro Dec 2017 #142

+1000 Pachamama Dec 2017 #146

Either they stand for justice or they stand for nothing but their own skins 😣 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #8

How about justice for women? sheshe2 Dec 2017 #26

Read my response again.👞 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #28

And? sheshe2 Dec 2017 #72

One has to watch what they say her but they canot walk into a ballot booth with me. JimBeard Dec 2017 #85

Damn straight! Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #29

Yes, we need to protect America. Now is not the time for sweating unless you are working to elect... JoeOtterbein Dec 2017 #12

Its just temporary tantrums. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #15

Not really, Gillibrand is toast after this flamingdem Dec 2017 #21

Ouch. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #33

The above person used that term flamingdem Dec 2017 #42

You might want to look again. It's someone siding with you using the term "tantrums" kcr Dec 2017 #180

Why did you specifically call out the third wave here? That seems somewhat arbitrary... stevenleser Dec 2017 #45

First off, #metoo is not about third wave feminist. herding cats Dec 2017 #78

We know he's a gentleman. THAT IS WHY he shouldn't have been forced out flamingdem Dec 2017 #83

I made your point? Seriously, thats your takeaway? herding cats Dec 2017 #92

Okay I reread, you're making the point flamingdem Dec 2017 #100

Thank you. herding cats Dec 2017 #121

Thank you too flamingdem Dec 2017 #128

We are all up against a wall. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #136

Liberals sounding like Conservatives on this site JHan Dec 2017 #150

Agree disndat Dec 2017 #207

+1 bazillion! Hoyt Dec 2017 #18

I don't think they need to be primaried Bettie Dec 2017 #20

This MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #50

Welcome to DU, MustLoveBeagles! calimary Dec 2017 #98

Thank you for the warm welcome calimary MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #126

GOOD ADVICE Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #22

Is it a democratic value to silence people we don't agree with? rainin Dec 2017 #23

Is Divide and Conquer the GOP's favorite political tool? McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #36

then why the hell were our senators so stupid to fall for it???? orleans Dec 2017 #55

They've had the weekend to think it through flamingdem Dec 2017 #60

oh, i suspect they'll all want to "move on" orleans Dec 2017 #67

Please explain where I silenced anyone. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #40

It seems straightforward to me. rainin Dec 2017 #138

Sorry, it means chill out period. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #144

Do you seriously believe that there are party bigwigs on DU that can field candidates? Demit Dec 2017 #145

Posting an OP whose title includes the phrase "Chill the F**K OUT!" (your caps) Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #238

No, I won't, but thank you for your concern. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #31

No, I won't, but thank you for your concern. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #56

I dont want them primaried, I just dont want them running for President still_one Dec 2017 #34

Who appointed you God?👖 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #37

Woah... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #44

I did nini Dec 2017 #208

I try to stay chill, but I am so sick of all this Divide and Conquer. McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #41

+1,000. We need to stop already. secondwind Dec 2017 #43

We need better recognition of the outrage and better communication from leadership flamingdem Dec 2017 #46

This BRings to mind they quote about Napolean bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #54

its unfortunate that we are also taking a bait AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #57

In my dreams that would happen flamingdem Dec 2017 #63

I agree. But I'm also not happy with Gillibrand for refusing to also call for Trump's resignation NYC Liberal Dec 2017 #59

Big tobacco - she's a 'Geccko"💄 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #65

Last sentence okay. Rest is bullshit. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #61

THIS KPN Dec 2017 #193

Right on! spicysista Dec 2017 #62

No I won't dflprincess Dec 2017 #64

Hey we've met before suegeo Dec 2017 #175

+1 n/t geardaddy Dec 2017 #202

No way! We aren't sweeping this unjustice under the rug! Owl Dec 2017 #66

You know who is also not a piece of meat to be thrown to the wolves? peequod Dec 2017 #68

This isn't a time to resign.... mudstump Dec 2017 #69

And reality is we may lose Franken's seat, a critical seat, to a repug flamingdem Dec 2017 #87

Of course not. I do not believe sitting Senators or House members should face a primary Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #71

Question bench scientist Dec 2017 #74

In Agreement Dalton Mac Dec 2017 #75

Thank you Dalton, and welcome to DU. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #95

Thangyu Dalton Mac Dec 2017 #103

Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2017 #105

Pelosi got blowback for defending and hedging on Conyers...they weren't going to make Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #77

That's a poor way to make decisions. The latest one was he said / she said and what?? flamingdem Dec 2017 #81

He shouldn't of resigned then...not sure why he did. n/t Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #84

See above the article about how Schumer forced him out flamingdem Dec 2017 #89

come to Think about it disndat Dec 2017 #209

Pelosi did the right thing with Conyers. she waited to hear more including from the women who JI7 Dec 2017 #120

Kick for sanity mcar Dec 2017 #82

This is classic divide and conquer on us again. herding cats Dec 2017 #86

That is not a correct read of the very correct reaction against forcing Franken out flamingdem Dec 2017 #90

A rational post! brer cat Dec 2017 #88

Hey you. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #124

I'm hurt and upset about what happened but NO WAY will I try and weaken the Democratic Party BlueCaliDem Dec 2017 #108

I am with you Blue..................... sheshe2 Dec 2017 #115

Birds of a feather... BlueCaliDem Dec 2017 #173

Preach Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #135

Who is calling to weaken the party. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #205

No I will not chill out. Chilling out is why we keep getting steam-rollered. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #110

What the hell is wrong with being primaried? Scruffy1 Dec 2017 #113

Absolutely Bibluca Dec 2017 #117

Their staffers? mcar Dec 2017 #172

It is not a good idea when the GOP has absolute power...money needs to be spent and time of course, Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #186

Nope Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #114

Well put. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #122

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #127

As pissed as I was I reminded myself I do not agree with anyone all the time nini Dec 2017 #140

Agree get the red out Dec 2017 #151

But I guess Al Franken and due process WERE "pieces of the meat to be thrown to the wolves" right? LBM20 Dec 2017 #168

We will see if SHE and THEY hold a great big press conference demanding that Trump resign. LBM20 Dec 2017 #169

Does today's CNN interview with Christne Amanpour count? lapucelle Dec 2017 #259

Yeah, Im not happy, but Ill still be voting for/supporting Democratic candidates anywhere possible. VOX Dec 2017 #170

I am not gonna chill out suegeo Dec 2017 #174

"Chill out"... "Our lives and livelihood is at stake". I'm sorry, this is the problem I keep seeing ck4829 Dec 2017 #176

Is that what we told Hillary supporters after the election last year? jalan48 Dec 2017 #181

I'm start to Chill the F**K out treestar Dec 2017 #183

I dunno. Being brainless, cowardly, and driven by the herd is kind of a litmus test for me. n/t MrModerate Dec 2017 #184

I'll support any qualified Dem of whatever gender . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #185

I Stand With AL. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #187

I believe we are on the brink of a dictatorship. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #190

sheshe2 110liberal Dec 2017 #192

Disagree strongly. lark Dec 2017 #195

Good to hear from someone who's been there and knows how to differentiate flamingdem Dec 2017 #211

Sheshe2 I have complete respect for you. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #196

Please don't give Putin what he wants Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #197

Im with you Politicub Dec 2017 #204

K&R Gothmog Dec 2017 #212

If it was orchestrated by Roger Stone NoMoreRepugs Dec 2017 #214

I understand the sentiment but Taraman Dec 2017 #216

I agree with u Taraman... NoMoreRepugs Dec 2017 #217

I've pulled on the rope Taraman Dec 2017 #223

Everyone should be primaried every election. MadDAsHell Dec 2017 #218

Naive young Dems DownriverDem Dec 2017 #224

Good Post. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #240

you take a deep breather and Chill the F**K OUT! stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #229

No, I'm not nuts! Just up front and honest! ananda Dec 2017 #230

Here's her phone number for those who wish to express an opinion flamingdem Dec 2017 #237

My reccomendation ofr the song at the end of Gillibrand's 2020 campaign rallies! BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #236

Spot on sheshe. ++++++++ fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #239

Who said to oust ALL the Dem Senators? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #241

Is that true of the two Independents as well? sheshe2 Dec 2017 #242

I've been very conflicted about this issue since well before Franken was accused. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #244

I just read your thread and commented. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #256

Gillibrand is an opportunist of the first degree!! She is my senator and I want her primaried NYgal Dec 2017 #245

Right on She! Good Democrats are giving cover to those who always have nothing but complaints.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2017 #254

Hey Tarheel. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #257