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In the discussion thread: RFK assassination witness tells CNN: There was a second shooter [View all]

Tue May 1, 2012, 12:01 PM

RZM (8,297 posts)

77. Don't forget Gavrilo Princip and Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914

That was straight-up luck. There had been a failed attempt earlier in the day and Princip was more or less wandering around Sarajevo feeling bad that his cell had failed. He thought it was all over and that they had missed their shot. And then he spotted the Archudke's motorcade by pure chance.

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92 replies	Author	Time	Post
RFK assassination witness tells CNN: There was a second shooter [View all]	Marzupialis	Apr 2012	OP
Wasn't his assassination recorded by TV cameras?	Renew Deal	Apr 2012	#1
It occurred after he gave his speech and went back into the kitchen.	RDANGELO	Apr 2012	#2
No, it wasn't	starroute	Apr 2012	#3
Camera wasn't on him at the moment of the shootings in the kitchen pantry	leveymg	Apr 2012	#4
8 shots vs. 12-14 shots	Enrique	Apr 2012	#5
It's been long supected. I admire her courage, considering the probability of our	Vidar	Apr 2012	#6
Sirhan is the patsy	Underwear bummer	Apr 2012	#9
got a link	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#10
It's referenced at the Wiki	leveymg	Apr 2012	#16
You got it right.	zeemike	Apr 2012	#25
Thanks for your reply.	Underwear bummer	May 2012	#71
And I understand why it is put in the dungeon...	zeemike	May 2012	#73
Thank you Zeemike	Underwear bummer	May 2012	#78
I don't think they have any choice.	zeemike	May 2012	#82
No, the woman in the polka dot dress was to relax him before the murder was to happen	snooper2	Apr 2012	#51
You are so right	goclark	May 2012	#89
of course	marshall gaines	Apr 2012	#7
There are many books on the RFK assassination that	OrwellwasRight	Apr 2012	#8
I'm not sure Pres. Obama ever was an outsider...	polichick	Apr 2012	#12
Not so sure.	jaded_old_cynic	Apr 2012	#14
I don't put anything past them either. It's possible that they dictated...	polichick	Apr 2012	#15
You might be right. Either way, it is not a point I feel it is useful to argue.	OrwellwasRight	Apr 2012	#17
Lets not get overwhelmed here	kenfrequed	May 2012	#88
Every time I read about these assassinations	Tumbulu	Apr 2012	#11
I'm with you - it's so depressing and often seems hopeless. These words help:	polichick	Apr 2012	#13
wow, beautiful, thank you for that (nt)	Tumbulu	Apr 2012	#20
You're very welcome. :)	polichick	Apr 2012	#23
That is one among many of his uplifting words. Thanks for bringing it here. He said that in the face	freshwest	Apr 2012	#42
In the U.S., maybe "only the good die young" should be tweaked:	polichick	Apr 2012	#47
Whereas the Koches, Kissingers, Cheneys toddle on forever. But that's international. And many young	freshwest	Apr 2012	#52
You are right freshwest	goclark	Apr 2012	#53
Article in Salon...	deurbano	Apr 2012	#18
My BIL served as a medic in Vietnam.	Archae	Apr 2012	#19
why in the world would you think anyone is "selling" a conspiracy theory?	Tumbulu	Apr 2012	#21
They are selling it.	Archae	Apr 2012	#22
You like everything clean and simple, don't you.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#28
Well they have sold you on the idea that they always tell us the truth	zeemike	Apr 2012	#31
In his book "Coroner" Thomas Noguchi who performed the autopsy on RFK said	dflprincess	Apr 2012	#58
Yes it was	Ter	May 2012	#66
Were the bullets ever tested to see if they came from the same gun? n/t	A Simple Game	Apr 2012	#24
"If a gun only holds 8 bullets and 14 were found..." Except that is not what is alleged.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#26
Exactly. People who think this is simple have probably never fired a gun.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#27
There were more bullet holes found in the kitchen than shots in Sirhan's gun.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#29
I always see claims like this, but I never see actual evidence.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#33
Exactly.	Archae	Apr 2012	#34
How did Sirhan know he was going to be in the kitchen?	former9thward	Apr 2012	#36
Change of plan was announced to press corps. RFK on his way to press briefing	leveymg	Apr 2012	#38
That does not explain how Sirhan knew he would be in the kitchen.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#41
One has to go through the pantry area to get to the press briefing room. Diagram>	leveymg	Apr 2012	#46
No his aides testified that he was going to go through the Ballroom to the Colonial room.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#56
There was a change of plans by Dutton and announced to the press.	leveymg	Apr 2012	#60
He didn't. He went where the crowd was. He got "lucky". There is a certain amount of "luck" in	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#49
No according to testimony he was in the kitchen.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#55
Well there was a crowd there all right - or at least near by. JFK "route change" is a myth.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#59
Such good luck Oswald had!	former9thward	May 2012	#75
Or maybe it was a typical route for political motorcades.	yellowcanine	May 2012	#79
So now Oswald knew JFK would be riding by his window	former9thward	May 2012	#80
Actually not that tortured. First of all, we don't know when Oswald decided to kill Kennedy.	yellowcanine	May 2012	#81
Don't forget Gavrilo Princip and Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914	RZM	May 2012	#77
Additional shots detected by modern audio analysis software - not available 40 yrs ago	leveymg	Apr 2012	#39
"several shots went off almost simultaneously." That sounds like echos.	happyslug	Apr 2012	#62
Are you a professional sound analyst? These guys are - do you think they don't know that?	leveymg	May 2012	#72
We often rely on second-hand, anecdotal evidence to better validate our opinions	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#30
Because it's just SOOOOO difficult to shoot someone...	Archae	Apr 2012	#32
Actually it is fairly difficult to assassinate a political figure. See my other post.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#50
Exactly. I have talked with Secret Service alumns that said the same thing.	grantcart	Apr 2012	#40
I've Never	RobinA	Apr 2012	#45
Yes there can be reverberations and echos which confuse a listener.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#61
That's What I Was Wondering, Too	On the Road	May 2012	#83
That's creepy.	OzMosis	Apr 2012	#35
Ace Security guard Thane Eugene Cesar Killed RFK	solarman350	Apr 2012	#37
Interesting.	Old and In the Way	Apr 2012	#43
No, not at the time. He later claimed to have sold his .22 before the shooting, but investigators	leveymg	Apr 2012	#48
I have seen pictures that show a tie laying next to Robert after he is shot	AnotherDreamWeaver	Apr 2012	#54
Thanks you	upi402	May 2012	#69
The door frame was removed	NewYorkerfromMass	May 2012	#87
My heart tighens remembering that day. I remember Rosey Grier remarks at the time, but can only find	freshwest	Apr 2012	#44
RFK would NOT have won the nomination, LBJ already had full controlled of who was to be the nominee	happyslug	May 2012	#63
Yet JFK beat Johnson and others in the primary in 1960. And..	freshwest	May 2012	#64
Thanks for the link to the RFK Jr. post	LongTomH	May 2012	#84
This message was self-deleted by its author	sarcasmo	Apr 2012	#57
A 10 year old knows it's MK-ULTRA	Ter	May 2012	#65
place	wingzeroday	May 2012	#67
Just saw this story	upi402	May 2012	#68
Prof. Philip H. Melanson pioneered the research on RFK assassination...	Octafish	May 2012	#74
I bought the book on your recommend	upi402	May 2012	#91
Heard RFK speak @ College gym up state NY Oct 67	FogerRox	May 2012	#70
I was in HS when RFK was shot	newspeak	May 2012	#76
I share your observations	Tumbulu	May 2012	#86
Kicking n/t	Hotler	May 2012	#85
I've actually been in the kitchen where he was shot.	Kablooie	May 2012	#90
George Herbert Walker Bush.	sarcasmo	May 2012	#92

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