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In reply to the discussion: Carl Bernstein Smells a Cover Up [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Trump fired Flynn 17 days after being informed of his lying and only after the press made an issue of it.
That means tRump was OK with Flynn lying to Pence. Okay with it because firing Flynn two weeks earlier would have exposed the issue.
Since tRump was OK with Flynn's ex-officio deal-making, as he says, then why didn't he tell Pence he had been lied to. Pence claims tRump didn't tell him so he was out of the loop. I'm not sure we can believe Pence.
Perhaps there is an exact detailed timeline out there.
1st) Flynn talks to Russia Dec. 2016; tRump claims he didn't know or authorize (attempt at "plausible deniability" .
[font color = "gray"]2nd) Trump is informed in daily briefing late 2016 or early 2017 of Flynn's conversations.[/font] (I'm not sure about this. Help me?)
3rd) Jan. 27 Yates tells tRump counsel and another person about Flynn lying to Pence. Surely this is important enough for it to be discussed at the highest circles around and inside the Oval Office. Thus Trump is informed of Flynn lying. Certainly at this point tRump knows. (Would like some precision on this.)
tRump sits on this, probably petrified by ramifications even he can dimly perceive but perceive nonetheless.
Possible cases:
A) Trump authorized Flynn and Pence is in the loop.
B) Trump authorized Flynn and let Pence be shat on (peed on?) by keeping him out.
C) Trump didn't authorize Flynn and told Pence when he found out. Pence lied.
D) Trump didn't authorize Flynn but found out and let Pence remain lied to for 17 days.
In all the cases, tRump did not fire Flynn.
If tRump was not complicit, not in deep shit, an ordinary CEO/Pres. would have fired Flynn Jan. 28 if not in late December, and told Pence and moved on. If there was nothing to see it would be done and dusted and they truly would have moved on.
Therefore, the only conclusion is that there is something big that they are hiding.
I think Flynn is the tip of the iceberg.