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Marksman_91

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21. I really wonder why "leftists" insist on siding with Russia so much nowadays

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 09:18 AM

Jul 2014

They're just as bad, if not worse, than the US in terms of human rights records and invasion of privacy. And they're only interested in increasing capital and trade with other nations, something that the US is very much interested in doing as well. But now with this whole Ukraine situation, it's kind of clear which entity is the least trustworthy, at least as long as Vladi is the head is state

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United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath [View all] Bosonic Jul 2014 OP

I assume Kyiv is Kiev- does the spelling change have a political component? thanks. nt ellenrr Jul 2014 #1

yes,no Bosonic Jul 2014 #2

For information, just type KYEV in the search box in Google Maps. Amonester Jul 2014 #3

The spelling change does have a political component. MattSh Jul 2014 #10

thanks. nt ellenrr Jul 2014 #11

Kyiv is Ukrainian, Kiev is the Russian spelling. JVS Jul 2014 #14

Transliteration is a factor happyslug Jul 2014 #47

applause for excellent post kiri Jul 2014 #53

Hey, I'm not that old. passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #56

Just to add a bit ... Igel Jul 2014 #50

Is that like the government assessment on Syria, but done this time by the embassy ? jakeXT Jul 2014 #4

U.S. Closes embassy in Syria (Feb. 2012) Amonester Jul 2014 #5

I'm not saying the Syria thing was done by the embassy in Syria jakeXT Jul 2014 #7

I guess the Embassy does not post such assessments on the intertubes Amonester Jul 2014 #8

Either way, it looks again like an assessment without the normal use of US intelligence jakeXT Jul 2014 #9

Possible, of course, since many remnants in the "Intel Consensus" were Cheney's picks... Amonester Jul 2014 #12

He was probably pissed in 07 when the new report on Iran came out jakeXT Jul 2014 #13

In 07, darth didn't have the votes in the House to... Amonester Jul 2014 #15

Bush probably didn't have the votes to go into Afghanistan on 9/9 or 9/10, after 9/11 he did jakeXT Jul 2014 #20

Thanks for the US' Report, Bosonic. The putin protectors will sniff because it's not RT but hey Cha Jul 2014 #6

So far all signs point towards pro-Russian rebels firing the missile Marksman_91 Jul 2014 #16

No you're not the only one. I've been preaching it since before Crimea. 7962 Jul 2014 #18

I really wonder why "leftists" insist on siding with Russia so much nowadays Marksman_91 Jul 2014 #21

Its because many think the true source of bad in the world only comes from the US 7962 Jul 2014 #22

Leftwing authoritarians who adopt anti-Americanism geek tragedy Jul 2014 #25

Or I agree that the Ukrainian Rebels shot down this plane, but Putin the greatest threat no.... happyslug Jul 2014 #54

So who profits? Billy Budd Jul 2014 #17

"Who benefits" is a nonsensical way to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #23

According to FlightAware, MH17 was not, in fact, diverted at all (or very little): Amonester Jul 2014 #24

That looks like more than 100 miles to me jakeXT Jul 2014 #26

Although 100 miles is not 200 kilometers, who's lying here? FlightAware? Or... Amonester Jul 2014 #27

I was using my eyes to calculate, NYT is using flightradar24 without dates in their maps /nt jakeXT Jul 2014 #28

Will an independent inquiry ever shed light on all of this awfully barbaric act? N/T Amonester Jul 2014 #29

Nobody has to lie, NYT is fucking up. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #46

Ok, then. Yeah, there were also reports of stormy weather happening. Amonester Jul 2014 #49

Kiev ATC purposely diverted the plane to be in harm's way cosmicone Jul 2014 #30

Still apologizing for Pootie Poots facsist rebels I see. IronGate Jul 2014 #32

you mean cosmicone Jul 2014 #34

So I guess that I used it in the wrong context, your post is basically correct? IronGate Jul 2014 #36

Looks like the barbaric rebels had the big guns, but nothing to ID their targets Amonester Jul 2014 #33

Kiev ATC purposely diverted the plane to be in harm's way n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #35

Out of a nasty storm's harms way, IronGate Jul 2014 #37

I have no love lost for Putin. cosmicone Jul 2014 #38

Bullshit!!!!! IronGate Jul 2014 #39

I am for the truth. Neither ideology nor rhetoric. cosmicone Jul 2014 #41

No, you're not for the truth, IronGate Jul 2014 #42

Amazing! Now you can read my mind hahahaha n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #43

Read your mind? IronGate Jul 2014 #44

Do not bother much with this guy, hair on fire all the time, hostility is all he has. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #48

As opposed to you? nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #51

+1,000,000 cosmicone Jul 2014 #31

It's not a key question at all if the missile was MISTAKENLY directed pnwmom Jul 2014 #40

+1000. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #45

Who said Russia gave them these missiles? They are also used by the Ukrainian Army happyslug Jul 2014 #57

The area is controlled by the rebels, not the Ukrainian army. And the Ukrainian army pnwmom Jul 2014 #58

We have unconfirmed reports they have moved back to Russia happyslug Jul 2014 #60

You are ignoring the fact that the missiles were shot from an area controlled by the rebels, pnwmom Jul 2014 #61

I accept the fact the Rebels fired the missiles, but that was NOT the question being debated. happyslug Jul 2014 #62

There is the evidence of the missile systems that were photographed going over the pnwmom Jul 2014 #63

REPORTS of such photos have hit the net, but not the actual photos happyslug Jul 2014 #64

Unlike you, I don't assume Obama is lying about that. I trust him more than Putin. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #65

Obama NEVER said anything about the missiles crossing the border happyslug Jul 2014 #68

Only the terminally brain dead think the separatists knew it was a passenger jet. nt EmilyAnne Jul 2014 #55

R&K nt longship Jul 2014 #19

Possible. But these are the same folks that claimed Iraq had WMD's. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #52

Really? I was under the impression that there had been a change in Administrations. brooklynite Jul 2014 #59

me too, until..... we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and starving granny, while escalating war... grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #67

10 mins ago, President Obama on live said similar, & asks Putin to move out his thugs. Sunlei Jul 2014 #66