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32. Still apologizing for Pootie Poots facsist rebels I see.

Reply to cosmicone (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:44 AM

Jul 2014

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Your agenda is very clear here, blame the Ukranian govt for this atrocity while defending Putin at all costs.

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United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath [View all] Bosonic Jul 2014 OP

I assume Kyiv is Kiev- does the spelling change have a political component? thanks. nt ellenrr Jul 2014 #1

yes,no Bosonic Jul 2014 #2

For information, just type KYEV in the search box in Google Maps. Amonester Jul 2014 #3

The spelling change does have a political component. MattSh Jul 2014 #10

thanks. nt ellenrr Jul 2014 #11

Kyiv is Ukrainian, Kiev is the Russian spelling. JVS Jul 2014 #14

Transliteration is a factor happyslug Jul 2014 #47

applause for excellent post kiri Jul 2014 #53

Hey, I'm not that old. passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #56

Just to add a bit ... Igel Jul 2014 #50

Is that like the government assessment on Syria, but done this time by the embassy ? jakeXT Jul 2014 #4

U.S. Closes embassy in Syria (Feb. 2012) Amonester Jul 2014 #5

I'm not saying the Syria thing was done by the embassy in Syria jakeXT Jul 2014 #7

I guess the Embassy does not post such assessments on the intertubes Amonester Jul 2014 #8

Either way, it looks again like an assessment without the normal use of US intelligence jakeXT Jul 2014 #9

Possible, of course, since many remnants in the "Intel Consensus" were Cheney's picks... Amonester Jul 2014 #12

He was probably pissed in 07 when the new report on Iran came out jakeXT Jul 2014 #13

In 07, darth didn't have the votes in the House to... Amonester Jul 2014 #15

Bush probably didn't have the votes to go into Afghanistan on 9/9 or 9/10, after 9/11 he did jakeXT Jul 2014 #20

Thanks for the US' Report, Bosonic. The putin protectors will sniff because it's not RT but hey Cha Jul 2014 #6

So far all signs point towards pro-Russian rebels firing the missile Marksman_91 Jul 2014 #16

No you're not the only one. I've been preaching it since before Crimea. 7962 Jul 2014 #18

I really wonder why "leftists" insist on siding with Russia so much nowadays Marksman_91 Jul 2014 #21

Its because many think the true source of bad in the world only comes from the US 7962 Jul 2014 #22

Leftwing authoritarians who adopt anti-Americanism geek tragedy Jul 2014 #25

Or I agree that the Ukrainian Rebels shot down this plane, but Putin the greatest threat no.... happyslug Jul 2014 #54

So who profits? Billy Budd Jul 2014 #17

"Who benefits" is a nonsensical way to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #23

According to FlightAware, MH17 was not, in fact, diverted at all (or very little): Amonester Jul 2014 #24

That looks like more than 100 miles to me jakeXT Jul 2014 #26

Although 100 miles is not 200 kilometers, who's lying here? FlightAware? Or... Amonester Jul 2014 #27

I was using my eyes to calculate, NYT is using flightradar24 without dates in their maps /nt jakeXT Jul 2014 #28

Will an independent inquiry ever shed light on all of this awfully barbaric act? N/T Amonester Jul 2014 #29

Nobody has to lie, NYT is fucking up. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #46

Ok, then. Yeah, there were also reports of stormy weather happening. Amonester Jul 2014 #49

Kiev ATC purposely diverted the plane to be in harm's way cosmicone Jul 2014 #30

Still apologizing for Pootie Poots facsist rebels I see. IronGate Jul 2014 #32

you mean cosmicone Jul 2014 #34

So I guess that I used it in the wrong context, your post is basically correct? IronGate Jul 2014 #36

Looks like the barbaric rebels had the big guns, but nothing to ID their targets Amonester Jul 2014 #33

Kiev ATC purposely diverted the plane to be in harm's way n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #35

Out of a nasty storm's harms way, IronGate Jul 2014 #37

I have no love lost for Putin. cosmicone Jul 2014 #38

Bullshit!!!!! IronGate Jul 2014 #39

I am for the truth. Neither ideology nor rhetoric. cosmicone Jul 2014 #41

No, you're not for the truth, IronGate Jul 2014 #42

Amazing! Now you can read my mind hahahaha n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #43

Read your mind? IronGate Jul 2014 #44

Do not bother much with this guy, hair on fire all the time, hostility is all he has. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #48

As opposed to you? nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #51

+1,000,000 cosmicone Jul 2014 #31

It's not a key question at all if the missile was MISTAKENLY directed pnwmom Jul 2014 #40

+1000. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #45

Who said Russia gave them these missiles? They are also used by the Ukrainian Army happyslug Jul 2014 #57

The area is controlled by the rebels, not the Ukrainian army. And the Ukrainian army pnwmom Jul 2014 #58

We have unconfirmed reports they have moved back to Russia happyslug Jul 2014 #60

You are ignoring the fact that the missiles were shot from an area controlled by the rebels, pnwmom Jul 2014 #61

I accept the fact the Rebels fired the missiles, but that was NOT the question being debated. happyslug Jul 2014 #62

There is the evidence of the missile systems that were photographed going over the pnwmom Jul 2014 #63

REPORTS of such photos have hit the net, but not the actual photos happyslug Jul 2014 #64

Unlike you, I don't assume Obama is lying about that. I trust him more than Putin. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #65

Obama NEVER said anything about the missiles crossing the border happyslug Jul 2014 #68

Only the terminally brain dead think the separatists knew it was a passenger jet. nt EmilyAnne Jul 2014 #55

R&K nt longship Jul 2014 #19

Possible. But these are the same folks that claimed Iraq had WMD's. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #52

Really? I was under the impression that there had been a change in Administrations. brooklynite Jul 2014 #59

me too, until..... we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and starving granny, while escalating war... grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #67

10 mins ago, President Obama on live said similar, & asks Putin to move out his thugs. Sunlei Jul 2014 #66