United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath

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68. Obama NEVER said anything about the missiles crossing the border

All the US Government has said they KNOW where the missiles were fired from, and that was in an area held by Ukrainian Rebels, which implies the rebels fired the missiles. The US also released a recording of what appears to be a cell phone conversation about the shot down, which also implies that the rebels shot the plane down (and thought it was a military plane till they viewed the wreckage).

That is ALL the Government has says, for that is ALL they can confirm at the present time. As to crossing the border of the Missile Launcher, that is a different set of alleged facts. Radar is ineffective on detecting where ground vehicles are going except at close ranges (to much ground clutter). Satellite that stay in place over the battlefield are TO far up in space to get a good photo (Spy Satellite operate at much lower attitudes to get better photos, but that means flying over the battlefield when the Russian know they are flying and the Russians can tell the launcher to hide till the Spy Satellite is out of the area).

Just a comment, NEITHER Obama nor the US Government has said the launcher has been moved across the border. The Launcher may have been, or may NOT have been, we do not know and given the nature of the use of such weapons the Rebels are making every effort so that no one knows where that missile launcher is located (Which is what ANY ground force does with its assets, including Tanks, APCs and even AA Missile systems like the one used on this plane).

Now, standard operation procedures for such missiles systems is to move as soon as it has fired a missile. The system is designed to "March Order" within five minutes of any launch. i.e. be on the road to a new firing location within five minutes of firing a missile. Given the ability to detect such systems by radar detecting the missiles after they have been fired in combat, counter system can be brought to bear on them quickly. Thus to save the system from being destroyed you move the system to a new location as quickly as possible. Thus the system was design to be on the road within five minutes.

Sorry, a typical firing situation would be as follows:

1. A plane is detected by Radar.
2. Permission is requested to fire on the plane
3. Permission is granted (if not previously granted)
4. Missile is fired.
5. The launcher (Which is a series of tubes with one missile per tube) is lowered down back onto the vehicle.
6. Any communication lines between the launcher and any Radar not on the launcher is disconnected.,
7. The vehicle the missiles are on drives away.
8. The command vehicle, once it has disconnected from each launcher AND the overall command of AA defense drives away.
9. When they get to their new launch site, they set themselves up and wait for another target.
10. Then and only then do they find out what they hit.

The above is from what I have read done within five minutes. I suspect they try to get it done within two minutes. If they were using another radar system instead of their own, two minutes maybe all they need.

Remember this Missile system has its own radar system AND is connected with other AA radars that are in operation. To avoid destruction, these radars are turned off every so often and moved. Radar is an "Active" device, i.e. it sends out signals that people can detect and use to find the Radar and destroy the Radar. The best way to defeat such detection is to turn off the radar AND MOVE IT.

The missile system used to shot down this plane is designed to be hooked up to the larger and more powerful S-300 and S-400 system of AA Missiles. The S-300 has a longer range radar system, which can cover most of the Ukraine (the US Patriot system is similar and the US Navy which has ships in the black sea has similar long ranch radars, thus why the US knew where the missiles were fired from).

Scary part the Radar that detected the Plane may have been inside Russia, but hook up to this missile system. The Missile system thus had a radar fix on this plane, but NOT from their own radar. They fired their missile, then left the firing location. Only later when they reconnected to the AA system did they find out it was a passenger plane that was taking a short cut across the Ukraine.

Just a comment that the missile launcher being moved AFTER they fired a missile is expected. The Rebels have no need to transport it across the border, they control enough of the Ukraine to hide it in a lot of places and keep its missiles ready for another chance to shot down a military plane. Thus I suspect the missile system is still in the Eastern Ukraine for the Rebels could fire missiles from it on other planes. If the Missile system was in Russia, that ability is gone for Putin will NOT permit a missile from Russia to be fired for such an act would be detected and Putin would have to admit it was fired from Russia.

Putin wants to make believable LIES, not one no one can believe because it goes against all the facts. For example, it is possible, we can NOT prove it did NOT occur, that the Present Government of the Ukraine fired that missile. Yes, that may be an out right lie, but can we prove it is a lie? The answer is no, for the missile was fired from inside the Ukraine. It was fired from rebel held territory, and more likely then not it was fired by Rebels, but given the fluid situation in the Ukraine, we can NOT PROVE absolutely that it was NOT fired by the present Government of the Ukraine. That inability to prove absolutely that that statement is a lie, is enough for Putin (and most other Politicians in that situation).

On the other hand, if the missile was fired from RUSSIAN territory, Putin would have to admit it was fired for that would be everyone else's radar detection report. Putin does NOT what that, thus the Missile system is still in the Ukraine. First because it still can be useful to the rebels AND second, by being in the Ukraine, Putin can say it was all the fault of the Rebels NOT himself or the Russian Army.